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Jan 24th, 2015 at 6:46pm
 
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/jan/21/al-gore-lord-stern-o...

Al Gore: oil companies 'use our atmosphere as an open sewer'
We must leave fossil fuels unburned, Gore says, adding the transition to clean energy will be ‘unstoppable’


It’s not possible to listen to petroleum industry executives defending their reckless extraction of oil without feeling that we are living in an age of madness.


In a recent private conversation under the Chatham House rule, one of the world’s most senior industry leaders, who is considered to be at the more moderate end of the spectrum, insisted that we are going to burn all the world’s hydrocarbons despite the consequences.

His reasoning is that a growing population in the developing world needs energy to raise living standards, that renewables will not become a dominant energy source till the end of the century and that politicians don’t have the courage or power to limit production.

He acknowledged that the burning of all reserves would almost certainly lead to temperature rises of up to 4C, but argued the best way forward is to focus on limiting the damage through such technologies as carbon capture and storage....
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Reply #1 - Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:26pm
 

Turn up the air con.

Simple.

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Reply #2 - Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:29pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Turn up the air con.

Simple.


Think about someone other than yourself : simple  Wink
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Reply #3 - Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:30pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Turn up the air con.

Simple.


Think about someone other than yourself : simple  Wink



Others can come in and share the AC.

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Reply #4 - Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:30pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Turn up the air con.

Simple.


Think about someone other than yourself : simple  Wink



Others can come in and share the AC.


You mean like subsistence farmers  Shocked Shocked
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Reply #5 - Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:47pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:30pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Turn up the air con.

Simple.


Think about someone other than yourself : simple  Wink



Others can come in and share the AC.


You mean like subsistence farmers  Shocked Shocked



As long as they wipe their feet.

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Reply #6 - Jan 24th, 2015 at 8:04pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:47pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:30pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Turn up the air con.

Simple.


Think about someone other than yourself : simple  Wink



Others can come in and share the AC.


You mean like subsistence farmers  Shocked Shocked



As long as they wipe their feet.


greg is dismissing the reality of food  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:36am
 
' We must leave fossil fuels unburned, Gore says, adding the transition to clean energy will be ‘unstoppable’ '

Says Gore flying from place to place. When he gets to clean energy for his many trips, multiple mansions etc, and is living the parable, instead of the lie; wake me up.

Did you see where the Swiss, for the first time in history, had to open the military airbase, to accommodate all the planes that flew into Davos for the junket?

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Reply #8 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:39am
 
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:36am:
' We must leave fossil fuels unburned, Gore says, adding the transition to clean energy will be ‘unstoppable’ '

Says Gore flying from place to place. When he gets to clean energy for his many trips, multiple mansions etc, and is living the parable, instead of the lie; wake me up.


It's a regulated markets problem: what he does means nada!
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Reply #9 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:40am
 
Sorry, read my edit


And it is called hypocrisy
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Reply #10 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:45am
 
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:40am:
Sorry, read my edit


And it is called hypocrisy

You can't accept that it is a systemic problem!

Shooting the messenger isn't business acumen  Grin Grin no matter what your lib voting daddy loving friends say!
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Reply #11 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:51am
 
You can't accept that a 30% increase in CO2 since 1998, based on the year 1700 level, does not have temperatures increasing the heating trend above 1970-1998 slope. But CO2 is supposed to be THE MAIN DRIVER.
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Reply #12 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 12:16pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:51am:
You can't accept that a 30% increase in CO2 since 1998, based on the year 1700 level, does not have temperatures increasing the heating trend above 1970-1998 slope. But CO2 is supposed to be THE MAIN DRIVER.

sources, thanx  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #13 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 4:04pm
 
...

1700 -  ~278ppm 'carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere were at about 280ppm*.

http://oncirculation.com/the-basics/climate-change/how-much-carbon-dioxide-have-...

1998 - 367.08

2014 - 398.78

http://www.carbonify.com/carbon-dioxide-levels.htm

So 398.78-278= 120.78 total change
398.78-367.08= 31.7 change since 1998

31.7/120.78= 26%. Sorry, it has only been an increase of 30% since 1996.

Global Temp graph from NOAA, set to Annual, shows the trend breaking in 1998 or if you want to exclude 1998 as an outlier, breaking in 2000.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global

But even a 26% change since 1998 should have temperatures rocketing along if CO2 is the Main Driver, not limping along.
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Reply #14 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 4:17pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 4:04pm:
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/g...

1700 -  ~278ppm 'carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere were at about 280ppm*.

http://oncirculation.com/the-basics/climate-change/how-much-carbon-dioxide-have-...

1998 - 367.08

2014 - 398.78

http://www.carbonify.com/carbon-dioxide-levels.htm

So 398.78-278= 120.78 total change
398.78-367.08= 31.7 change since 1998

31.7/120.78= 26%. Sorry, it has only been an increase of 30% since 1996.

Global Temp graph from NOAA, set to Annual, shows the trend breaking in 1998 or if you want to exclude 1998 as an outlier, breaking in 2000.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global

But even a 26% change since 1998 should have temperatures rocketing along if CO2 is the Main Driver, not limping along.

Why do you expect linearity in a complex system  Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh  Embarrassed

You're an embarrasment to the internet buddy, like seriously fella get off the crack: it is the worlds most boring drug   Roll Eyes
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