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St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:14pm:
Where is that $230Bn fund, Longy? Nowhere? Thought so.


you re a true idiot.  LABOR SPENT IT you complete retard.  the only thing left is the Future Fund. the idiots from the ALP spent the rest of it.
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And Howard spent all the money.
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Reply #93 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:32pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:14pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:46am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:23am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:08am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:03am:
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sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:12am:
Who has the largest sovereign fund in the world again?  Why?


Oil is a totally different commodity to iron ore and coal.  It's highly inelastic demand and scarcity means that exorbitant super profit taxes do not scare away capital investment.


it is worth noting that the high taxes Norway imposes has currently rendered their oil industry unprofitable.  Oil may be inelastic but that is changing.  the massive increases in the quantity of retrievable oil has sent prices down and made it a buyers market.  you really CAN tax an oil industry away and we need to keep that in mind.

and yet they have a $700B sovereign wealth fund.   Talk all you want, the benefits are staring you right in the face. And all you can do is blabber about how Costello managed to finally pull Howard's fingers away from the coffers just long enough in order to save just a bit of what was possible if not for the lying rodent wasting it all away in order to stay elected.


so what?  They have had a highly profitable oil industry and they saved from it.  We had a profitable mining industry and we banked $230B from it. Which other govt has created a fund like that?  Only Howard. 


So, not only did they sit around and just be satisfied with taking corporate taxes from the funds, but you know what they did? Surprise, surprise - they incorporated an OIL TAX. And all the funds went into a SOVEREIGN FUND. Not the corporate taxes - just the OIL TAX.  $700 B!!!

We had a MASSIVE boom. Larger than Norway's oil boom.  Imagine what we would've pocketed? Oh wait..I forgot - Gina would moved to Somalia had it happened, and we'd have no one mining. Yeah right Grin

The lying rodent presided over the biggest boom we've ever had, and what did he do? Nothing!  It took Costello to save just a small portion of what would've been possible had we not had the biggest economic illiterate as PM.

And All I'm saying is that if we get the oil found in SA, we'd be wise to do the same as Norway, and not just worry about the pittance we'd receive in corporate tax, while international companies pillage the rest.


you persist on pretending that oil is like every other mineral when it clearly is not.  it is (or at least was) a super-important commodity in huge demand which was not found in many places and its demand is inelastic - unlike iron ore and coal.  if the mining boom had continued, our budget would be $200B better off.  If we hadn't had to put up with the rudd/gillard shambles we could have been another $100B-$200B better off.  There is another $400B we could have had.  but mining IS subject to ebbs and flows and elastic demand.

and as for the 'pittance' in company tax you need to learn that our company tax rate is among the highest in the world.

Australia doesn't have an oil export industry - yet.  So we have to work with what we have and to date the ONLY govt to ever save money, especially hundreds of Billions, was Howard.  and the biggest spender by far - BY FAR - was Rudd and Gillard.

you need to accept that Howard did a damned fine job which is why you wont find labor criticising him very much.  Instead, it is boofheads like you doing it.


What does any of that have to do with not relying on mining simply through a corporate tax system but via a resource rent tax on profits that goes directly into a sovereign wealth fund?

Something Howard should've setup from day one, but instead chose to hand out in the form of baby cash.


the biggest problem with a resource rent tax is that the states own the minerals as per the constitution and the feds cannot change that.  That is why royalties are paid to the states and not the feds.  We already have a Resource Rent Tax and it is the royalty system.  The states wont hand over the money and that cant change.  Even Labors idiotic mining tax made royalties made to the states as a DEDUCTION on the tax payable so as to try and get around this problem.  That is why in the end, it raised no money.
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Reply #94 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:33pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:30pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:14pm:
Where is that $230Bn fund, Longy? Nowhere? Thought so.


you re a true idiot.  LABOR SPENT IT you complete retard.  the only thing left is the Future Fund. the idiots from the ALP spent the rest of it.

If they spent it why did they borrow $175Bn up to the Sep election?

$40Bn in the Fatuous Fund was the only money saved, 9% of all the boom time revenue. The rest of the money in the Fatuous Fund was Telstra shares.
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Reply #95 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:37pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:23pm:
It'd be nice to be entirely self-sufficient in regard to oil, to have cheaper fuel and to make some cash by exporting it!



It would but as history & in fact present day demonstrates very few Australians will see any benefit at all & fuel will if anything cost more.

This is demonstrated by the Gas prices, we have huge reserves of natural gas but are selling it to China for a pittance & our local prices apparently must rise because local companies want to play on the International market.

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But what will affect households directly is how this massive new industry transforms the domestic gas market.
Now that the east coast is able to export gas (WA has been doing it since 1989) producers have the option of selling to buyers in Asia, who are willing to pay much, much more for it than we have been.

Historically, the east coast gas market was insulated from the rest of the world, and the domestic wholesale price was stable at about $3 to $4 a gigajoule. Now, there are buyers across Asia prepared to pay $12 or $13, even when energy markets are in turmoil as they are at the moment.

That translates to much higher domestic prices. When you account for the costs of converting the gas into LNG and shipping, it still suggests a domestic gas price of $6 to $8 in the wholesale market. That is, a 100 per cent increase from the long-term average.

So far, the NSW regulator has approved a 17.8 per cent rise in retail gas prices between 2014 and 2016, partly in response to the new export boom.  Victorians face a similar jump over the next few years because its producers can also sell their gas to the north.

And these increases are just the beginning, with further significant price rises expected for the next few years.

As this extra cost is passed on to users, it will push up utility bills significantly. A report by the Grattan Institute's Tony Wood last year estimated the average Melbourne household gas bill would jump $300 a year because of the changes over the next few years, while the average Sydney bill would rise by more than $100.

That compares with the extra $270 a year that Treasury estimated we'd be spending on gas and electricity because of the carbon price.


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Reply #96 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:43pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:32pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:14pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:46am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:23am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:08am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:03am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:52am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:22am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:12am:
Who has the largest sovereign fund in the world again?  Why?


Oil is a totally different commodity to iron ore and coal.  It's highly inelastic demand and scarcity means that exorbitant super profit taxes do not scare away capital investment.


it is worth noting that the high taxes Norway imposes has currently rendered their oil industry unprofitable.  Oil may be inelastic but that is changing.  the massive increases in the quantity of retrievable oil has sent prices down and made it a buyers market.  you really CAN tax an oil industry away and we need to keep that in mind.

and yet they have a $700B sovereign wealth fund.   Talk all you want, the benefits are staring you right in the face. And all you can do is blabber about how Costello managed to finally pull Howard's fingers away from the coffers just long enough in order to save just a bit of what was possible if not for the lying rodent wasting it all away in order to stay elected.


so what?  They have had a highly profitable oil industry and they saved from it.  We had a profitable mining industry and we banked $230B from it. Which other govt has created a fund like that?  Only Howard. 


So, not only did they sit around and just be satisfied with taking corporate taxes from the funds, but you know what they did? Surprise, surprise - they incorporated an OIL TAX. And all the funds went into a SOVEREIGN FUND. Not the corporate taxes - just the OIL TAX.  $700 B!!!

We had a MASSIVE boom. Larger than Norway's oil boom.  Imagine what we would've pocketed? Oh wait..I forgot - Gina would moved to Somalia had it happened, and we'd have no one mining. Yeah right Grin

The lying rodent presided over the biggest boom we've ever had, and what did he do? Nothing!  It took Costello to save just a small portion of what would've been possible had we not had the biggest economic illiterate as PM.

And All I'm saying is that if we get the oil found in SA, we'd be wise to do the same as Norway, and not just worry about the pittance we'd receive in corporate tax, while international companies pillage the rest.


you persist on pretending that oil is like every other mineral when it clearly is not.  it is (or at least was) a super-important commodity in huge demand which was not found in many places and its demand is inelastic - unlike iron ore and coal.  if the mining boom had continued, our budget would be $200B better off.  If we hadn't had to put up with the rudd/gillard shambles we could have been another $100B-$200B better off.  There is another $400B we could have had.  but mining IS subject to ebbs and flows and elastic demand.

and as for the 'pittance' in company tax you need to learn that our company tax rate is among the highest in the world.

Australia doesn't have an oil export industry - yet.  So we have to work with what we have and to date the ONLY govt to ever save money, especially hundreds of Billions, was Howard.  and the biggest spender by far - BY FAR - was Rudd and Gillard.

you need to accept that Howard did a damned fine job which is why you wont find labor criticising him very much.  Instead, it is boofheads like you doing it.


What does any of that have to do with not relying on mining simply through a corporate tax system but via a resource rent tax on profits that goes directly into a sovereign wealth fund?

Something Howard should've setup from day one, but instead chose to hand out in the form of baby cash.


the biggest problem with a resource rent tax is that the states own the minerals as per the constitution and the feds cannot change that.  That is why royalties are paid to the states and not the feds.  We already have a Resource Rent Tax and it is the royalty system.  The states wont hand over the money and that cant change.  Even Labors idiotic mining tax made royalties made to the states as a DEDUCTION on the tax payable so as to try and get around this problem.  That is why in the end, it raised no money.

Not correct. Henry had some such idea in his Tax Review but it was soon realised it would open the govt to almost unlimited govt liabilities under certain conditions. The actual MRRT did not mention royalties. Abbott should have improved and increased the rate, created a sovereign wealth fund.
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Reply #97 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:45pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:32pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:14pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:46am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:23am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:08am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:03am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:52am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:22am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:12am:
Who has the largest sovereign fund in the world again?  Why?


Oil is a totally different commodity to iron ore and coal.  It's highly inelastic demand and scarcity means that exorbitant super profit taxes do not scare away capital investment.


it is worth noting that the high taxes Norway imposes has currently rendered their oil industry unprofitable.  Oil may be inelastic but that is changing.  the massive increases in the quantity of retrievable oil has sent prices down and made it a buyers market.  you really CAN tax an oil industry away and we need to keep that in mind.

and yet they have a $700B sovereign wealth fund.   Talk all you want, the benefits are staring you right in the face. And all you can do is blabber about how Costello managed to finally pull Howard's fingers away from the coffers just long enough in order to save just a bit of what was possible if not for the lying rodent wasting it all away in order to stay elected.


so what?  They have had a highly profitable oil industry and they saved from it.  We had a profitable mining industry and we banked $230B from it. Which other govt has created a fund like that?  Only Howard. 


So, not only did they sit around and just be satisfied with taking corporate taxes from the funds, but you know what they did? Surprise, surprise - they incorporated an OIL TAX. And all the funds went into a SOVEREIGN FUND. Not the corporate taxes - just the OIL TAX.  $700 B!!!

We had a MASSIVE boom. Larger than Norway's oil boom.  Imagine what we would've pocketed? Oh wait..I forgot - Gina would moved to Somalia had it happened, and we'd have no one mining. Yeah right Grin

The lying rodent presided over the biggest boom we've ever had, and what did he do? Nothing!  It took Costello to save just a small portion of what would've been possible had we not had the biggest economic illiterate as PM.

And All I'm saying is that if we get the oil found in SA, we'd be wise to do the same as Norway, and not just worry about the pittance we'd receive in corporate tax, while international companies pillage the rest.


you persist on pretending that oil is like every other mineral when it clearly is not.  it is (or at least was) a super-important commodity in huge demand which was not found in many places and its demand is inelastic - unlike iron ore and coal.  if the mining boom had continued, our budget would be $200B better off.  If we hadn't had to put up with the rudd/gillard shambles we could have been another $100B-$200B better off.  There is another $400B we could have had.  but mining IS subject to ebbs and flows and elastic demand.

and as for the 'pittance' in company tax you need to learn that our company tax rate is among the highest in the world.

Australia doesn't have an oil export industry - yet.  So we have to work with what we have and to date the ONLY govt to ever save money, especially hundreds of Billions, was Howard.  and the biggest spender by far - BY FAR - was Rudd and Gillard.

you need to accept that Howard did a damned fine job which is why you wont find labor criticising him very much.  Instead, it is boofheads like you doing it.


What does any of that have to do with not relying on mining simply through a corporate tax system but via a resource rent tax on profits that goes directly into a sovereign wealth fund?

Something Howard should've setup from day one, but instead chose to hand out in the form of baby cash.


the biggest problem with a resource rent tax is that the states own the minerals as per the constitution and the feds cannot change that.  That is why royalties are paid to the states and not the feds.  We already have a Resource Rent Tax and it is the royalty system.  The states wont hand over the money and that cant change.  Even Labors idiotic mining tax made royalties made to the states as a DEDUCTION on the tax payable so as to try and get around this problem.  That is why in the end, it raised no money.

so now you admit your previous jibberish had nothing to do with WHY Howard didn't setup a proper scheme similar to Norway. Nice to know.

As for your new "reasoning", of course royalty allowances were put in on the MRRT, and were deducted against the profit calculation for the purposes of the MRRT.   Meaning, if they fell below the initial 22.5% profit threshold after paying royalties, there was no MRRT applied. Der.

And all of this makes sense when we deal with a sovereign welath fund, not just general revenue. The biggest dumbass problem for Rudd was he tried to bribe the electorate with it, instead of doing the smart thing.
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Reply #98 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:05pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:46am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:23am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:08am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:03am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:52am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:22am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:12am:
Who has the largest sovereign fund in the world again?  Why?


Oil is a totally different commodity to iron ore and coal.  It's highly inelastic demand and scarcity means that exorbitant super profit taxes do not scare away capital investment.


it is worth noting that the high taxes Norway imposes has currently rendered their oil industry unprofitable.  Oil may be inelastic but that is changing.  the massive increases in the quantity of retrievable oil has sent prices down and made it a buyers market.  you really CAN tax an oil industry away and we need to keep that in mind.

and yet they have a $700B sovereign wealth fund.   Talk all you want, the benefits are staring you right in the face. And all you can do is blabber about how Costello managed to finally pull Howard's fingers away from the coffers just long enough in order to save just a bit of what was possible if not for the lying rodent wasting it all away in order to stay elected.


so what?  They have had a highly profitable oil industry and they saved from it.  We had a profitable mining industry and we banked $230B from it. Which other govt has created a fund like that?  Only Howard. 


So, not only did they sit around and just be satisfied with taking corporate taxes from the funds, but you know what they did? Surprise, surprise - they incorporated an OIL TAX. And all the funds went into a SOVEREIGN FUND. Not the corporate taxes - just the OIL TAX.  $700 B!!!

We had a MASSIVE boom. Larger than Norway's oil boom.  Imagine what we would've pocketed? Oh wait..I forgot - Gina would moved to Somalia had it happened, and we'd have no one mining. Yeah right Grin

The lying rodent presided over the biggest boom we've ever had, and what did he do? Nothing!  It took Costello to save just a small portion of what would've been possible had we not had the biggest economic illiterate as PM.

And All I'm saying is that if we get the oil found in SA, we'd be wise to do the same as Norway, and not just worry about the pittance we'd receive in corporate tax, while international companies pillage the rest.


you persist on pretending that oil is like every other mineral when it clearly is not.  it is (or at least was) a super-important commodity in huge demand which was not found in many places and its demand is inelastic - unlike iron ore and coal.  if the mining boom had continued, our budget would be $200B better off.  If we hadn't had to put up with the rudd/gillard shambles we could have been another $100B-$200B better off.  There is another $400B we could have had.  but mining IS subject to ebbs and flows and elastic demand.

and as for the 'pittance' in company tax you need to learn that our company tax rate is among the highest in the world.

Australia doesn't have an oil export industry - yet.  So we have to work with what we have and to date the ONLY govt to ever save money, especially hundreds of Billions, was Howard.  and the biggest spender by far - BY FAR - was Rudd and Gillard.

you need to accept that Howard did a damned fine job which is why you wont find labor criticising him very much.  Instead, it is boofheads like you doing it.


So Longy, do you think the $1 Trillion that Norway have now generated, via its taxing Oil, is a pittance?

And, WHAT SHOULD OZ HAVE GENERATED, BY PROPERLY TAXING ITS FULL RANGE OF NATURAL RESOURCES???

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Australia doesn't have an oil export industry - yet.  So we have to work with what we have and to date the ONLY govt to ever save money, especially hundreds of Billions, was Howard.  and the biggest spender by far - BY FAR - was Rudd and Gillard.


Is just plain wrong!

Howard saved nothing, spent it all. $40Bn was finally put out of his reach. $350Bn boom time revenue pissed up against the wall!
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Reply #100 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:28pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:30pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:14pm:
Where is that $230Bn fund, Longy? Nowhere? Thought so.


you re a true idiot.  LABOR SPENT IT you complete retard.  the only thing left is the Future Fund. the idiots from the ALP spent the rest of it.

If they spent it why did they borrow $175Bn up to the Sep election?

$40Bn in the Fatuous Fund was the only money saved, 9% of all the boom time revenue. The rest of the money in the Fatuous Fund was Telstra shares.


are you really that stupid, so breathtakingly dense that words hardly exist to describe it?  It is as if no fact, no bit of information ever penetrates that terminally thick skull of yours to the4 empty space inside.

you are like SOB and little better.
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Reply #101 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:29pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:37pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:23pm:
It'd be nice to be entirely self-sufficient in regard to oil, to have cheaper fuel and to make some cash by exporting it!



It would but as history & in fact present day demonstrates very few Australians will see any benefit at all & fuel will if anything cost more.

This is demonstrated by the Gas prices, we have huge reserves of natural gas but are selling it to China for a pittance & our local prices apparently must rise because local companies want to play on the International market.

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But what will affect households directly is how this massive new industry transforms the domestic gas market.
Now that the east coast is able to export gas (WA has been doing it since 1989) producers have the option of selling to buyers in Asia, who are willing to pay much, much more for it than we have been.

Historically, the east coast gas market was insulated from the rest of the world, and the domestic wholesale price was stable at about $3 to $4 a gigajoule. Now, there are buyers across Asia prepared to pay $12 or $13, even when energy markets are in turmoil as they are at the moment.

That translates to much higher domestic prices. When you account for the costs of converting the gas into LNG and shipping, it still suggests a domestic gas price of $6 to $8 in the wholesale market. That is, a 100 per cent increase from the long-term average.

So far, the NSW regulator has approved a 17.8 per cent rise in retail gas prices between 2014 and 2016, partly in response to the new export boom.  Victorians face a similar jump over the next few years because its producers can also sell their gas to the north.

And these increases are just the beginning, with further significant price rises expected for the next few years.

As this extra cost is passed on to users, it will push up utility bills significantly. A report by the Grattan Institute's Tony Wood last year estimated the average Melbourne household gas bill would jump $300 a year because of the changes over the next few years, while the average Sydney bill would rise by more than $100.

That compares with the extra $270 a year that Treasury estimated we'd be spending on gas and electricity because of the carbon price.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/local-gas-prices-set-to-soar...


Seems Tone lied about cost of living as well Angry



so are you joining the illiterate boofheads to redefine the meaning of the word 'lie' now?
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Reply #102 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:30pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:05pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:46am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:23am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:08am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:03am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:52am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:22am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:12am:
Who has the largest sovereign fund in the world again?  Why?


Oil is a totally different commodity to iron ore and coal.  It's highly inelastic demand and scarcity means that exorbitant super profit taxes do not scare away capital investment.


it is worth noting that the high taxes Norway imposes has currently rendered their oil industry unprofitable.  Oil may be inelastic but that is changing.  the massive increases in the quantity of retrievable oil has sent prices down and made it a buyers market.  you really CAN tax an oil industry away and we need to keep that in mind.

and yet they have a $700B sovereign wealth fund.   Talk all you want, the benefits are staring you right in the face. And all you can do is blabber about how Costello managed to finally pull Howard's fingers away from the coffers just long enough in order to save just a bit of what was possible if not for the lying rodent wasting it all away in order to stay elected.


so what?  They have had a highly profitable oil industry and they saved from it.  We had a profitable mining industry and we banked $230B from it. Which other govt has created a fund like that?  Only Howard. 


So, not only did they sit around and just be satisfied with taking corporate taxes from the funds, but you know what they did? Surprise, surprise - they incorporated an OIL TAX. And all the funds went into a SOVEREIGN FUND. Not the corporate taxes - just the OIL TAX.  $700 B!!!

We had a MASSIVE boom. Larger than Norway's oil boom.  Imagine what we would've pocketed? Oh wait..I forgot - Gina would moved to Somalia had it happened, and we'd have no one mining. Yeah right Grin

The lying rodent presided over the biggest boom we've ever had, and what did he do? Nothing!  It took Costello to save just a small portion of what would've been possible had we not had the biggest economic illiterate as PM.

And All I'm saying is that if we get the oil found in SA, we'd be wise to do the same as Norway, and not just worry about the pittance we'd receive in corporate tax, while international companies pillage the rest.


you persist on pretending that oil is like every other mineral when it clearly is not.  it is (or at least was) a super-important commodity in huge demand which was not found in many places and its demand is inelastic - unlike iron ore and coal.  if the mining boom had continued, our budget would be $200B better off.  If we hadn't had to put up with the rudd/gillard shambles we could have been another $100B-$200B better off.  There is another $400B we could have had.  but mining IS subject to ebbs and flows and elastic demand.

and as for the 'pittance' in company tax you need to learn that our company tax rate is among the highest in the world.

Australia doesn't have an oil export industry - yet.  So we have to work with what we have and to date the ONLY govt to ever save money, especially hundreds of Billions, was Howard.  and the biggest spender by far - BY FAR - was Rudd and Gillard.

you need to accept that Howard did a damned fine job which is why you wont find labor criticising him very much.  Instead, it is boofheads like you doing it.


So Longy, do you think the $1 Trillion that Norway have now generated, via its taxing Oil, is a pittance?

And, WHAT SHOULD OZ HAVE GENERATED, BY PROPERLY TAXING ITS FULL RANGE OF NATURAL RESOURCES???



we are all just waiting for you to tell us about Peak Oil and how there wont be any left by 2000.
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Reply #103 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:49pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:29pm:
so are you joining the illiterate boofheads to redefine the meaning of the word 'lie' now?


Lie?

Once again lets just do a little goggle search.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Tony+Abbott+quotes+on+cost+of+living&oq=Tony+...

Shall we start at the top?

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My commitment to the forgotten families of Australia is to ease your cost of living pressure.
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Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/tony_abbott_2.html#mpooZAtlT8HRIYri.99


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As this extra cost is passed on to users, it will push up utility bills significantly. A report by the Grattan Institute's Tony Wood last year estimated the average Melbourne household gas bill would jump $300 a year because of the changes over the next few years, while the average Sydney bill would rise by more than $100.


So his committed to easing the Cost of Living
His bragged he has done so by getting rid of the Carbon Tax
Yet as the article states, his about to allow it to go back up.

His the PM, he could & it would be passed with broad public support quarantine X amount of gas just as the Saudis etc do for domestic purposes at cheap prices.

He won't.

Tell me are you the thickhead type to get aggressive & abusive when you feel you are losing a debate?
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:23pm:



It'd be nice to be entirely self-sufficient in regard to oil, to have cheaper fuel and to make some cash by exporting it!


rubbish ... we'd sell the cheap stuff to china and force prices here up to even higher levels .
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