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Reply #75 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:36am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 8:24am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

The risk of course is 5 years of someone like Rudd who even the true believers rank as a dud

and you think Abbotts any better? Cheesy

if you are going to critise the system at least keep your party politics out of it. Especially when you have probably the only person at the moment capable of out duding Rudd

I was referring to how even Labor people regard Rudd as a poor PM. His colleagues have very low regard for him.

and liberal people regard Abbott as a dud .... His colleagues have no regard for him.

now you just sound stupid(er). simply mirroring something said about labor is primary school level and reflects poorly on you.

Just because you don't like does not make it untrue. Remember Costello's warning about Abbott and how closely it aligns with his failures. Abbott has been a dud and a lot of Liberals know it is true.

His lies have been an embarrassment to many and impossible to defend, the economic performance has been another indefensible but predicted embarrassment.

Abbott has in fact been a lot bigger DUDD than you unfairly claim that Rudd was.

and that is merely opinion supported by nothing much in particular. Rudd was HATED, LOATHED and DETESTED by his colleagues as you well know. Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #77 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:51am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2015 at 5:44pm:

Just a bit of a reminder of the debt situation that John Howard rid us of and Rudd/Gillard brought back with a vengeance.

Hey longloser how come you never complain about this lot of debt ?

because we are talking about govt debt, fool.

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #78 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:06am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

and that is merely opinion supported by nothing much in particular. Rudd was HATED, LOATHED and DETESTED by his colleagues as you well know. Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

and that is merely opinion

Yes my opinion in answer to your opinion ?

Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

More opinion - I see little evidence of this.

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #79 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:24am

I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Remember the 'good old days'?

You would Longy, because that's where you live!

What you do not understand, is WHY they were the good old days!

However and as usual, you also do not understand that much of the current problems arise from the fact that Politicians, both Labor & Liberal, did not do what was needed in the Best, Long Term interests of all Australians, over many decades, they simply look at their own short term interests & those of their "supporters"!

Notwithstanding the above comment, our Pollies on both sides, still arrived at much better outcomes than many other countries, as quite look at the Debt to GDP ratios will confirm, with the OZ ratio being around 25-30%, whilst others are 100%, 200% & more!

As I said, you have no idea!

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #80 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:33am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

and that is merely opinion supported by nothing much in particular. Rudd was HATED, LOATHED and DETESTED by his colleagues as you well know. Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

and that is merely opinion

Yes my opinion in answer to your opinion ?

Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

More opinion - I see little evidence of this

.

Actually, the absence of serious disunity and strife is the evidence you are (not) looking for.

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #81 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:34am

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Remember the 'good old days'?

You would Longy, because that's where you live!

What you do not understand, is WHY they were the good old days!

However and as usual, you also do not understand that much of the current problems arise from the fact that Politicians, both Labor & Liberal, did not do what was needed in the Best, Long Term interests of all Australians, over many decades, they simply look at their own short term interests & those of their "supporters"!

Notwithstanding the above comment, our Pollies on both sides, still arrived at much better outcomes than many other countries, as quite look at the Debt to GDP ratios will confirm, with the OZ ratio being around 25-30%, whilst others are 100%, 200% & more!

As I said, you have no idea!

only in your simple little mind is a comparison among losers of some meaning.

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #82 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 12:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2015 at 5:44pm:

Just a bit of a reminder of the debt situation that John Howard rid us of and Rudd/Gillard brought back with a vengeance.

Hey longloser how come you never complain about this lot of debt ?

because we are talking about govt debt, fool.

but this debt is much bigger and for useless discretionary things such as a new patio or kitchen and joe hockey wants us to spend more on things like that !!

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #83 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 12:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Remember the 'good old days'?

You would Longy, because that's where you live!

What you do not understand, is WHY they were the good old days!

However and as usual, you also do not understand that much of the current problems arise from the fact that Politicians, both Labor & Liberal, did not do what was needed in the Best, Long Term interests of all Australians, over many decades, they simply look at their own short term interests & those of their "supporters"!

Notwithstanding the above comment, our Pollies on both sides, still arrived at much better outcomes than many other countries, as quite look at the Debt to GDP ratios will confirm, with the OZ ratio being around 25-30%, whilst others are 100%, 200% & more!

As I said, you have no idea!

only in your simple little mind is a comparison among losers of some meaning.

On the contrary, it takes a simple mind, not to draw comparisons!

What would you be saying, IF Australia was up around the Japanese Debt to GDP ratio of about 250%.

You would/should correctly be saying at 250% we (OZ) would be stuffed, AS JAPAN IS IN FACT, STUFFED!

And, Much of Europe & the US, is already well over what is generally regarded as the cut off point, where A GREAT DEAL OF PAIN WILL INEVITABLY COME FROM THAT 100% FIGURE, IN ANY ECONOMY!

Whilst the 25-30% in OZ is higher than it was, it is well inside Historically/Globally acceptable figures. That said, on this occasion, both major Parties should have keep our Debt much lower and they should also have already introduced quite a few changes, which are now well overdue, in both the Revenue & Expenditure areas!

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #84 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 1:09pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Remember the 'good old days'?

You would Longy, because that's where you live!

What you do not understand, is WHY they were the good old days!

However and as usual, you also do not understand that much of the current problems arise from the fact that Politicians, both Labor & Liberal, did not do what was needed in the Best, Long Term interests of all Australians, over many decades, they simply look at their own short term interests & those of their "supporters"!

Notwithstanding the above comment, our Pollies on both sides, still arrived at much better outcomes than many other countries, as quite look at the Debt to GDP ratios will confirm, with the OZ ratio being around 25-30%, whilst others are 100%, 200% & more!

As I said, you have no idea!

only in your simple little mind is a comparison among losers of some meaning.

On the contrary, it takes a simple mind, not to draw comparisons!

What would you be saying, IF Australia was up around the Japanese Debt to GDP ratio of about 250%.

You would/should correctly be saying at 250% we (OZ) would be stuffed, AS JAPAN IS IN FACT, STUFFED!

And, Much of Europe & the US, is already well over what is generally regarded as the cut off point, where A GREAT DEAL OF PAIN WILL INEVITABLY COME FROM THAT 100% FIGURE, IN ANY ECONOMY!

Whilst the 25-30% in OZ is higher than it was, it is well inside Historically/Globally acceptable figures. That said, on this occasion, both major Parties should have keep our Debt much lower and they should also have already introduced quite a few changes, which are now well overdue, in both the Revenue & Expenditure areas!

your problem is that all you do is ant to be better than the worst and not even be best, nevermind apply a standard of actual EXCELLENCE.

How about applying a level of economic and fiscal excellence in its own right than simply whining that we 'are better than most of the other retards'. even in primary school that was considered lame.

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #85 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 1:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 8:24am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

The risk of course is 5 years of someone like Rudd who even the true believers rank as a dud

and you think Abbotts any better? Cheesy

if you are going to critise the system at least keep your party politics out of it. Especially when you have probably the only person at the moment capable of out duding Rudd

I was referring to how even Labor people regard Rudd as a poor PM. His colleagues have very low regard for him.

and liberal people regard Abbott as a dud .... His colleagues have no regard for him.

now you just sound stupid(er). simply mirroring something said about labor is primary school level and reflects poorly on you.

Just because you don't like does not make it untrue. Remember Costello's warning about Abbott and how closely it aligns with his failures. Abbott has been a dud and a lot of Liberals know it is true.

His lies have been an embarrassment to many and impossible to defend, the economic performance has been another indefensible but predicted embarrassment.

Abbott has in fact been a lot bigger DUDD than you unfairly claim that Rudd was.

and that is merely opinion supported by nothing much in particular. Rudd was HATED, LOATHED and DETESTED by his colleagues as you well know. Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

really? how do you know it's genuine? Cheesy

maybe you should ask Turnbull or Bishop .... and many more out there starting to come out of the woodwork.

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #86 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 1:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

and that is merely opinion supported by nothing much in particular. Rudd was HATED, LOATHED and DETESTED by his colleagues as you well know. Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

and that is merely opinion

Yes my opinion in answer to your opinion ?

Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

More opinion - I see little evidence of this

.

Actually, the absence of serious disunity and strife is the evidence you are (not) looking for.

so the day before Rudd was knifed he was liked by all? Cheesy

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #87 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 1:43pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Remember the 'good old days'?

You would Longy, because that's where you live!

What you do not understand, is WHY they were the good old days!

However and as usual, you also do not understand that much of the current problems arise from the fact that Politicians, both Labor & Liberal, did not do what was needed in the Best, Long Term interests of all Australians, over many decades, they simply look at their own short term interests & those of their "supporters"!

Notwithstanding the above comment, our Pollies on both sides, still arrived at much better outcomes than many other countries, as quite look at the Debt to GDP ratios will confirm, with the OZ ratio being around 25-30%, whilst others are 100%, 200% & more!

As I said, you have no idea!

only in your simple little mind is a comparison among losers of some meaning.

On the contrary, it takes a simple mind, not to draw comparisons!

What would you be saying, IF Australia was up around the Japanese Debt to GDP ratio of about 250%.

You would/should correctly be saying at 250% we (OZ) would be stuffed, AS JAPAN IS IN FACT, STUFFED!

And, Much of Europe & the US, is already well over what is generally regarded as the cut off point, where A GREAT DEAL OF PAIN WILL INEVITABLY COME FROM THAT 100% FIGURE, IN ANY ECONOMY!

Whilst the 25-30% in OZ is higher than it was, it is well inside Historically/Globally acceptable figures. That said, on this occasion, both major Parties should have keep our Debt much lower and they should also have already introduced quite a few changes, which are now well overdue, in both the Revenue & Expenditure areas!

your problem is that all you do is ant to be better than the worst and not even be best, nevermind apply a standard of actual EXCELLENCE.

How about applying a level of economic and fiscal excellence in its own right than simply whining that we 'are better than most of the other retards'. even in primary school that was considered lame.

I think you meant WANT not ant!

As usual, you revert to personal attacks, as soon as you start losing, which is usually quite quick!

Try facts Longy, REPLY TO THE FACTS!

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #88 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 2:12pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 1:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

and that is merely opinion supported by nothing much in particular. Rudd was HATED, LOATHED and DETESTED by his colleagues as you well know. Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

and that is merely opinion

Yes my opinion in answer to your opinion ?

Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

More opinion - I see little evidence of this

.

Actually, the absence of serious disunity and strife is the evidence you are (not) looking for.

so the day before Rudd was knifed he was liked by all? Cheesy

They all loved Turnbull as well until only one day later then the consensus was that he was never really a Liberal.

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #89 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 2:29pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 1:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 8:24am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

The risk of course is 5 years of someone like Rudd who even the true believers rank as a dud

and you think Abbotts any better? Cheesy

if you are going to critise the system at least keep your party politics out of it. Especially when you have probably the only person at the moment capable of out duding Rudd

I was referring to how even Labor people regard Rudd as a poor PM. His colleagues have very low regard for him.

and liberal people regard Abbott as a dud .... His colleagues have no regard for him.

now you just sound stupid(er). simply mirroring something said about labor is primary school level and reflects poorly on you.

Just because you don't like does not make it untrue. Remember Costello's warning about Abbott and how closely it aligns with his failures. Abbott has been a dud and a lot of Liberals know it is true.

His lies have been an embarrassment to many and impossible to defend, the economic performance has been another indefensible but predicted embarrassment.

Abbott has in fact been a lot bigger DUDD than you unfairly claim that Rudd was.

and that is merely opinion supported by nothing much in particular. Rudd was HATED, LOATHED and DETESTED by his colleagues as you well know. Abbott appears to be genuinely liked by most of his.

really? how do you know it's genuine? Cheesy

maybe you should ask Turnbull or Bishop .... and many more out there starting to come out of the woodwork.

I don't HAVE to know its genuine. Rather, you have to demonstrate it is not. Most people are reasonably honest. I can easily prove Rudd was hated by most in the Labor Caucus. You need to do the same.

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