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Reply #15 - Jan 5th, 2015 at 8:27pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:52pm:
one swallow does not a summer make

you've got one lib that gave us a surplus, and they had to sell the farm to do it. ... whoopdedooo ... they would never have gotten that surplus if it wasn't for Keatings forsight.

Hows W.A. going? The largest mining state in the middle of a mining boom and still posting deficits  Grin Grin Grin Grin


he saved $230B.  that's an enormous amount of money.  By contrast, Labor spent that and more in just 6 years


he saved $23
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B


Is that an extra zero or are you counting the money saved that he spent later ?
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Reply #16 - Jan 5th, 2015 at 8:56pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:46pm:
  And Whitlam increased govt spending by 40% in ONE YEAR and naturally increased taxes to boot.

missed that. did you?


and naturally increased taxes to boot

Whitlam cut tariffs by 25% in 1973 and reduced income tax in 1975.

What taxes did he increase?

Did you just make up the 40% as well ?
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Reply #17 - Jan 5th, 2015 at 9:21pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:55pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:53pm:
I'm pretty sure the 2nd last paragraph talks about Howard



correct.  However, he is happy to give credit to the world economy rather than howard but in the 70s he is happy to blame howard rather than recognising the world-wide extended recession and stagflation.


at some point you have to choose a consistent position.

Sounds like you're making excuses for the current crop of rabble
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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #18 - Jan 5th, 2015 at 9:52pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:52pm:
one swallow does not a summer make

you've got one lib that gave us a surplus, and they had to sell the farm to do it. ... whoopdedooo ... they would never have gotten that surplus if it wasn't for Keatings forsight.

Hows W.A. going? The largest mining state in the middle of a mining boom and still posting deficits  Grin Grin Grin Grin


he saved $230B.  that's an enormous amount of money.  By contrast, Labor spent that and more in just 6 years


230B? really ... where did it all go?
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Reply #19 - Jan 5th, 2015 at 11:29pm
 

And it wouldn't be Lib/Gnat if we didn't have a recession, rising unemployment, the total absence
of infrastructure or job-creation spending, and absolutely no planning for the future whatsoever.

Labor spends, but builds and creates, benefitting society as a whole, ensuring a bright future
while ensuring that no-one gets left behind or goes without altogether.

Lib/Gnats enforce unnecessary austerity, tear down and destroy, and society as a whole suffers
while an elite parasitic minority steal the cream.

Thus has it always been, thus will it always be.
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Reply #20 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:51am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 8:18pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:55pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:53pm:
I'm pretty sure the 2nd last paragraph talks about Howard



correct.  However, he is happy to give credit to the world economy rather than howard but in the 70s he is happy to blame howard rather than recognising the world-wide extended recession and stagflation.

at some point you have to choose a consistent position.


to blame howard rather than recognising the world-wide extended recession and stagflation.


In that period Australia under performed the world largely due to Howards actions.

The world had recovered and Australia was still floundering with no solution in sight, it took a change of government to solve stagflation in Australia lagging dramatically behind everyone else.

If it wasn't so sad it would have been funny that Howards primary strategy to combat stagflation was to force cheaper employment, he believed he could create a pool of low wage employees by dramatically increasing unemployment for an economic gain.

A pool of cheap labour to supposably squash wage demand.

In the end what he achieved was stagflation plus dramatically higher unemployment.

The solution to fix the problems of treasurer Howard was to replace him with a treasurer named Keating.

Can not help but to notice that you had no problem blaming Swan for the GFC when he clearly out performed most of the world in that period but complain about Treasurer Howard being criticised when he had badly underperformed with the world economic issue of that time. Your hypocrisy is outstanding.



you and Gullible George are starting to sound the same.  the world economy was booming was it??? it is apparently news to 'the rest of the world'.  The entire world was enduring stagflation and economic difficulty and it was in fact largely corrected due to industrial and labor restructure. And did you forget the save 82/83 recession?  The worst recession in Australias history?  it was GLOBAL.

and lets not forget oil price shock - as apparently you did.

swan was a retarded Treasurer who spent like a dunken sailor.  Howard took 12 years to fill the coffers and Swan spent the entire lot in under a year and then continued to do so.

Do you know the first govt in decades to reduce spending in actual terms was THIS ONE?
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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #21 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:52am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 9:52pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:52pm:
one swallow does not a summer make

you've got one lib that gave us a surplus, and they had to sell the farm to do it. ... whoopdedooo ... they would never have gotten that surplus if it wasn't for Keatings forsight.

Hows W.A. going? The largest mining state in the middle of a mining boom and still posting deficits  Grin Grin Grin Grin


he saved $230B.  that's an enormous amount of money.  By contrast, Labor spent that and more in just 6 years


230B? really ... where did it all go?



seriously???  were you not awake during the 6 year labor spend-a-thon?  All those $50Bpa deficits had to be paid for somehow.... BY BORROWINGS.
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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #22 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:56am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:51am:
Do you know the first govt in decades to reduce spending in actual terms was THIS ONE?


Yes but is that a good thing or bad.
I suppose that depends on what they reduced spending on.

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Most people seem unaware that on January 19, the Medicare rebate for a GP consultation lasting 6-10 minutes will fall from $37.05 to $16.95, and then down to $11.95 from July 1.

I am a GP. Sometimes I can resolve a patient's problem in less than 10 minutes. This is usually because of the fact that I know a particular patient or family very well, because our practice provides continuity of care, and because we have years of education, experience, and hard work behind us. Occasional shorter consultations provide a much-needed opportunity to reduce the waiting room back-log while still offering high-quality care.

Forty per cent of my billings go directly to my practice to cover staff wages and their entitlements, rent, accreditation, supplies, etc. None of these costs will drop despite the rebate falling 54 to 67 per cent over the next six months. This is an intolerable insult to the practice of family medicine.

GPs earn considerably less than other medical specialists and yet we are crucial to cost-effective healthcare. It beggars belief that I should use my experience and decision-making capabilities, and expose myself to medico legal risk for $11.95. I cannot do it. And it is unfair to expect families to be able to absorb the huge gap that will be necessary to keep medical practice viable – especially with further reductions for the 10-20 minute consultation planned for July, and the freezing of all these reduced rebates until 2018. Is this really the kind of health care system we want?

Dr Jennifer Sterrett Turramurra


Plenty of money for dud planes though

Plenty of money to monitor the media

How much for this increasemypolls jaunt to Iraq


But then again when the poor get sick they deserve it right?
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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #23 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:08am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:56am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:51am:
Do you know the first govt in decades to reduce spending in actual terms was THIS ONE?


Yes but is that a good thing or bad.
I suppose that depends on what they reduced spending on.

Quote:
Most people seem unaware that on January 19, the Medicare rebate for a GP consultation lasting 6-10 minutes will fall from $37.05 to $16.95, and then down to $11.95 from July 1.

I am a GP. Sometimes I can resolve a patient's problem in less than 10 minutes. This is usually because of the fact that I know a particular patient or family very well, because our practice provides continuity of care, and because we have years of education, experience, and hard work behind us. Occasional shorter consultations provide a much-needed opportunity to reduce the waiting room back-log while still offering high-quality care.

Forty per cent of my billings go directly to my practice to cover staff wages and their entitlements, rent, accreditation, supplies, etc. None of these costs will drop despite the rebate falling 54 to 67 per cent over the next six months. This is an intolerable insult to the practice of family medicine.

GPs earn considerably less than other medical specialists and yet we are crucial to cost-effective healthcare. It beggars belief that I should use my experience and decision-making capabilities, and expose myself to medico legal risk for $11.95. I cannot do it. And it is unfair to expect families to be able to absorb the huge gap that will be necessary to keep medical practice viable – especially with further reductions for the 10-20 minute consultation planned for July, and the freezing of all these reduced rebates until 2018. Is this really the kind of health care system we want?

Dr Jennifer Sterrett Turramurra


Plenty of money for dud planes though 
chosen and supported by both parties well before Abbott came along.

Plenty of money to monitor the media 
that was labors doing or did you forget, plus they wanted to censor the media.

How much for this increasemypolls jaunt to Iraq   
hmmm  How often did Rudd and Gillard do this?


But then again when the poor get sick they deserve it right?


Which party increased govt spending on hospitals by NOT ONE DOLLAR while they managed to spend almost $300B on... who knows?


if you want to lay blame, start by laying blame where it is due.  State govts run hospitals and are dreadful at it.  Govts of both persuasions have given increased grants to hospitals only to see no bed increases and instead an increase in bureaucracy instead.  It is just like universities where increasing funding simply increases staff not front-line services.  Rudd found the same thing with his simplistic view on hospital reform.  He quickly found out that hospitals are almost a lost cause because it doesn't matter how much money you throw at them - nothing changes.
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Reply #24 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:18am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:52am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 9:52pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:52pm:
one swallow does not a summer make

you've got one lib that gave us a surplus, and they had to sell the farm to do it. ... whoopdedooo ... they would never have gotten that surplus if it wasn't for Keatings forsight.

Hows W.A. going? The largest mining state in the middle of a mining boom and still posting deficits  Grin Grin Grin Grin


he saved $230B.  that's an enormous amount of money.  By contrast, Labor spent that and more in just 6 years


230B? really ... where did it all go?



seriously???  were you not awake during the 6 year labor spend-a-thon?  All those $50Bpa deficits had to be paid for somehow.... BY BORROWINGS.


so you don't know either ... you should have just said so instead of flopping around like a fish out of water
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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #25 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:21am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:18am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:52am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 9:52pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:52pm:
one swallow does not a summer make

you've got one lib that gave us a surplus, and they had to sell the farm to do it. ... whoopdedooo ... they would never have gotten that surplus if it wasn't for Keatings forsight.

Hows W.A. going? The largest mining state in the middle of a mining boom and still posting deficits  Grin Grin Grin Grin


he saved $230B.  that's an enormous amount of money.  By contrast, Labor spent that and more in just 6 years


230B? really ... where did it all go?



seriously???  were you not awake during the 6 year labor spend-a-thon?  All those $50Bpa deficits had to be paid for somehow.... BY BORROWINGS.


so you don't know either ... you should have just said so instead of flopping around like a fish out of water



Labor spent $300B beyond the budget in just 6 years.  Where it went is a question a lot of people have asked.  Perhaps you should as well.
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Reply #26 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:24am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:21am:
Labor spent $300B beyond the budget in just 6 years


isn't that almost the same as Abbott spent in the last 12 months? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #27 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:29am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:08am:
Plenty of money for dud planes though  chosen and supported by both parties well before Abbott came along.


So Abbott cant change government spending decisions?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:08am:
Plenty of money to monitor the media  that was labors doing or did you forget, plus they wanted to censor the media.


But Abbott told us the coalition would not do the same as Labor

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:08am:
How much for this increasemypolls jaunt to Iraq   hmmm  How often did Rudd and Gillard do this?


Fair point, I believe all pollies unless actually serving should be banned from warzone photo ops & the nauseating sight of fake grief at soldiers funerals.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:08am:
Which party increased govt spending on hospitals by NOT ONE DOLLAR while they managed to spend almost $300B on... who knows?


So Tony cant?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:08am:
if you want to lay blame, start by laying blame where it is due.  State govts run hospitals and are dreadful at it.


We aren't talking about hospitals (as your well aware but nice try) we are talking about DEFUNDING MEDICARE
by stealth.

For those that missed it

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:56am:
Most people seem unaware that on January 19, the Medicare rebate for a GP consultation lasting 6-10 minutes will fall from $37.05 to $16.95, and then down to $11.95 from July 1.

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Re: It wouldn't be Labor if we weren't in debt...
Reply #28 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:58am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 9:52pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:52pm:
one swallow does not a summer make

you've got one lib that gave us a surplus, and they had to sell the farm to do it. ... whoopdedooo ... they would never have gotten that surplus if it wasn't for Keatings forsight.

Hows W.A. going? The largest mining state in the middle of a mining boom and still posting deficits  Grin Grin Grin Grin


he saved $230B.  that's an enormous amount of money.  By contrast, Labor spent that and more in just 6 years


230B? really ... where did it all go?


Batgatte, Julia's school monuments, vote bribes (AKA stimulus-> AKA future income tax increases)  Grin
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Reply #29 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 9:12am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:58am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 9:52pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2015 at 7:52pm:
one swallow does not a summer make

you've got one lib that gave us a surplus, and they had to sell the farm to do it. ... whoopdedooo ... they would never have gotten that surplus if it wasn't for Keatings forsight.

Hows W.A. going? The largest mining state in the middle of a mining boom and still posting deficits  Grin Grin Grin Grin


he saved $230B.  that's an enormous amount of money.  By contrast, Labor spent that and more in just 6 years


230B? really ... where did it all go?


Batgatte, Julia's school monuments, vote bribes (AKA stimulus-> AKA future income tax increases)  Grin


Still no effing clue, I see...  Angry
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