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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #60 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:11pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:26pm:

The fools havent learnt a thing!

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But he has dropped some hints, saying earlier this month: ''I would like to be in a position to offer tax cuts in our next term … The whole point of getting the budget under control now is so that we can give tax cuts in the not-too-distant future.''

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/prepoll-tax-cuts-planned-to-woo-disaffected-voters-20140530-399v1.html

Didn't he promise to give tax cuts this term ?

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #61 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:50pm:

The minority that (already and increasingly) pay the majority of tax.

Better able to pay you say?

A bit like proposing young people are fitter and more able to work longer hours so they should work 60 hour weeks instead of 40 for the same pay Cheesy

There is a topic about this phurphy - a place where this post would be on topic.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott Reply #62 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:55am: Link or you are lying, Longy! If no link I will report your comments on me lying as abuse! you are a chronic liar. virtually every 'fact' you post is a lie. and it isn't my fault you are such a liar.
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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #63 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:17pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:50pm:

The minority that (already and increasingly) pay the majority of tax.

Better able to pay you say?

A bit like proposing young people are fitter and more able to work longer hours so they should work 60 hour weeks instead of 40 for the same pay Cheesy

The minority that pay the majority of tax because they own the majority of wealth.

Income is taxed, not wealth.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:01pm:

And a fitter person generally does work more hours.

Not for the same pay and not forced to do so by Govt.

So what? we are talking about wealth as the key factor for equality.

And government does by not paying welfare to fit people. At least governments that aren't the Howard government who thought everyone ought to have some welfare.

your envy of rich people is rather obvious.

and sad.

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #64 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:50pm:

The minority that (already and increasingly) pay the majority of tax.

Better able to pay you say?

A bit like proposing young people are fitter and more able to work longer hours so they should work 60 hour weeks instead of 40 for the same pay Cheesy

The minority that pay the majority of tax because they own the majority of wealth.

Income is taxed, not wealth.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:01pm:

And a fitter person generally does work more hours.

Not for the same pay and not forced to do so by Govt.

So what? we are talking about wealth as the key factor for equality.

And government does by not paying welfare to fit people. At least governments that aren't the Howard government who thought everyone ought to have some welfare.

your envy of rich people is rather obvious.

and sad.

Ah, the envy argument -how cute. It's not envy: it's common sense to target tax where tax can be obtained effectively and efficiently. And fairly. If 60% of wealth in Australia is owned by 5% of Australians than those 5% Australians should be paying 60% of taxation. No? Isn't that what you conservatives classify as "fair"?

So, while we'll never get a government that starts to properly tax wealth, the one things we can do is rescind the tax cuts on the TOP tax brackets.

Then we can agree not everyone is "20% worse off", wouldn't you agree?

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #65 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:20pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:03pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:50pm:

The minority that (already and increasingly) pay the majority of tax.

Better able to pay you say?

A bit like proposing young people are fitter and more able to work longer hours so they should work 60 hour weeks instead of 40 for the same pay Cheesy

Paying nearly half of your wages in tax is not enough according to piss poor lefties who think we should be taxed even more.

I'd be happy if top threshold was 50% of wealth, not just income.

I would be happy if the Liberal Democrats gain power and reduce my income tax to 20%.

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #66 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:22pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:20pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:03pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:50pm:

The minority that (already and increasingly) pay the majority of tax.

Better able to pay you say?

A bit like proposing young people are fitter and more able to work longer hours so they should work 60 hour weeks instead of 40 for the same pay Cheesy

Paying nearly half of your wages in tax is not enough according to piss poor lefties who think we should be taxed even more.

I'd be happy if top threshold was 50% of wealth, not just income.

I would be happy if the Liberal Democrats gain power and reduce my tax to 20%.

A nice notion, until the businesses start begging for infrastructure and a healthy and educated labour force. Oh well, a smart economy doesn't need those things: it just needs greedy pricks to control the vast amount of wealth, and trickle it down ever so slightly. Correct?

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #67 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:55am:

Link or you are lying, Longy!

If no link I will report your comments on me lying as abuse!

you are a chronic liar. virtually every 'fact' you post is a lie. and it isn't my fault you are such a liar.

Abuse reported.

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #68 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:34pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:55am:

Link or you are lying, Longy!

If no link I will report your comments on me lying as abuse!

you are a chronic liar. virtually every 'fact' you post is a lie. and it isn't my fault you are such a liar.

Abuse reported.

its not abuse. you ARE a liar.

lets started with:

Keatings debt was $70B (it was 96B)
healthcare costs are DROPPING (since when??)
FTTH could be had for $20B
FTTN will cost $200B
Howard didn't leave a cash balance (he did)

and more.

you just lie time and time again. it isn't just being wrong, it is LYING. no one could make mistakes like the above. They have to be lies.

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #69 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:55am:

Link or you are lying, Longy!

If no link I will report your comments on me lying as abuse!

you are a chronic liar. virtually every 'fact' you post is a lie. and it isn't my fault you are such a liar.

Abuse reported.

its not abuse. you ARE a liar.

lets started with:

Keatings debt was $70B (it was 96B)
healthcare costs are DROPPING (since when??)
FTTH could be had for $20B
FTTN will cost $200B
Howard didn't leave a cash balance (he did)

and more.

you just lie time and time again. it isn't just being wrong, it is LYING. no one could make mistakes like the above. They have to be lies.

aren't u in SA longie? well, if you are, I hope everything is ok.

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #70 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:55pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:55am:

Link or you are lying, Longy!

If no link I will report your comments on me lying as abuse!

you are a chronic liar. virtually every 'fact' you post is a lie. and it isn't my fault you are such a liar.

Abuse reported.

its not abuse. you ARE a liar.

lets started with:

Keatings debt was $70B (it was 96B)
healthcare costs are DROPPING (since when??)
FTTH could be had for $20B
FTTN will cost $200B
Howard didn't leave a cash balance (he did)

and more.

you just lie time and time again. it isn't just being wrong, it is LYING. no one could make mistakes like the above. They have to be lies.

aren't u in SA longie? well, if you are, I hope everything is ok.

Im just waiting for the loons to blame the bushfires on climate change. After all, a major bushfire in the middle of summer after a few wet seasons could only be the result of global warming. We never had them before 1990.

Just be nice to get some heavy rain to help out. But according to Tim Flannery, we aren't getting any more, every again.

bushfires suck.

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #71 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:55pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:55am:

Link or you are lying, Longy!

If no link I will report your comments on me lying as abuse!

you are a chronic liar. virtually every 'fact' you post is a lie. and it isn't my fault you are such a liar.

Abuse reported.

its not abuse. you ARE a liar.

lets started with:

Keatings debt was $70B (it was 96B)
healthcare costs are DROPPING (since when??)
FTTH could be had for $20B
FTTN will cost $200B
Howard didn't leave a cash balance (he did)

and more.

you just lie time and time again. it isn't just being wrong, it is LYING. no one could make mistakes like the above. They have to be lies.

aren't u in SA longie? well, if you are, I hope everything is ok.

Im just waiting for the loons to blame the bushfires on climate change. After all, a major bushfire in the middle of summer after a few wet seasons could only be the result of global warming. We never had them before 1990.

Just be nice to get some heavy rain to help out. But according to Tim Flannery, we aren't getting any more, every again.

bushfires suck.

well, just stay safe.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 23132 ACT Gender:	Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott Reply #72 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:37pm No need to go smacking overboard! Its only Longie! Pretty soon he will think people like him!
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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #73 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:42pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:55pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:55am:

Link or you are lying, Longy!

If no link I will report your comments on me lying as abuse!

you are a chronic liar. virtually every 'fact' you post is a lie. and it isn't my fault you are such a liar.

Abuse reported.

its not abuse. you ARE a liar.

lets started with:

Keatings debt was $70B (it was 96B)
healthcare costs are DROPPING (since when??)
FTTH could be had for $20B
FTTN will cost $200B
Howard didn't leave a cash balance (he did)

and more.

you just lie time and time again. it isn't just being wrong, it is LYING. no one could make mistakes like the above. They have to be lies.

aren't u in SA longie? well, if you are, I hope everything is ok.

Im just waiting for the loons to blame the bushfires on climate change. After all, a major bushfire in the middle of summer after a few wet seasons could only be the result of global warming. We never had them before 1990.

Just be nice to get some heavy rain to help out. But according to Tim Flannery, we aren't getting any more, every again.

bushfires suck.

well, just stay safe.

I'm inner city here. you can smell the smoke and the winds have just whipped up. as long as it brings some rain it is okay.

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #74 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:01am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 9:42am:

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 9:31am:

I've been saying for a while now that Costello's biggest mistake as Treasurer was funding permanent budget measures out of temporary revenue. Costello had better options, some examples:
* invest in infrastructure, perhaps by creating an infrastructure fund
* put the proceeds into the Future Fund
* buy back outstanding government bonds

These are examples of temporary expenditure that offer a benefit to the country and where spending can be stopped without causing political pain.

Costello did none of these things. Instead, he cut taxes and ramped up middle class welfare. The massive expansion of middle class welfare under the Howard government was their worst legacy, and it's going to take some years to unravel this waste. Cutting taxes was also a poor decision.

this is a trick question.

Are you in favour of automatic tax indexation?

You know what I am leading to so it will be interesting to see what you reply with - if you reply at all.

Not relevant to my point.

Costello's middle class welfare was a waste of money that was mostly spent in election years to buy votes.

The tax cuts that Costello made overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy, with token measures at best for people on more modest incomes.

That is the Liberal party way - when tax cuts are handed out, it's tokenism for low incomes (sandwich and a milkshake, not even enough to counter years of bracket creep), and massive largesse for the rich; when budget tightening is necessary, it's savage attacks on the poor and token measures for the rich. Don't even try to deny it, it's true.

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