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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #30 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:47am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:41am:
Hard to believe they still don't comprehend the simple fact that Labor had ample time and plenty of opportunity to change Howard and Costello's tax cuts if they felt so strongly about them being such a bad thing, yet Swan failed to even TRY to do that.


I doubt Abbott has the ticker to right the wrong!

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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #31 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:54am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:47am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:41am:
Hard to believe they still don't comprehend the simple fact that Labor had ample time and plenty of opportunity to change Howard and Costello's tax cuts if they felt so strongly about them being such a bad thing, yet Swan failed to even TRY to do that.


I doubt Abbott has the ticker to right the wrong!

as you sow, so shall you reap

Grin Grin Grin


If there was a wrong there to begin with, which there wasn't. Swan was Treasurer during a time when revenue was higher than the best years of Costello, yet Swan's expenses far outstripped that increased revenue. In short, Swan is an incompetent oaf who couldn't balance an empty plate, much less a budget.
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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #32 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:03am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:42am:
John Hewson, former Liberal leader, economist and now professor with the Crawford School of Public Policy at the Australian National University, underlines the point: “The tax cuts Howard and Costello gave are now costing [the budget] about $30 billion a year, and the deficit’s $40 billion.”

Without those cuts and the $9 billion Hockey gave – unasked for and against the will of treasury – to the Reserve Bank, says Hewson, “the deficit problem wouldn’t exist”.

And that’s without including some $40 billion in tax concessions for superannuation, which accrue overwhelmingly to the wealthiest 20 per cent of taxpayers.


that is rather a simplistic view that typically comes from ivory tower economists.  if you reversed those tax cuts almost everyone would be paying around 20% more tax that presently.  Current take is around $165Bpa in income tax.  to add $30B to it requires increasing income tax by 20%.  so why not increase taxes by 30% instead?  since increasing income tax seems to not have any impact on the economy according to nutters like this why not make it 40%?

it is a basic tenet of economics - or at least real world economics - is that taxes are a drag on economic growth.  they are a necessary evil, but they are an evil just the same.  So the answer is in the balance of keeping them as low as possible yet meeting the legitimate needs of govt.  Raising taxes is a cheats way of temporarily raising more money  but dragging the economy down further. But it is worth noting that cutting expenditure never gets mentioned unless it is about something that affects only the high income earners.

I'd love to see you boofheads explain to low income earners why you are increasing their income tax by 20%.
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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #33 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:03am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:47am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:41am:
Hard to believe they still don't comprehend the simple fact that Labor had ample time and plenty of opportunity to change Howard and Costello's tax cuts if they felt so strongly about them being such a bad thing, yet Swan failed to even TRY to do that.


I doubt Abbott has the ticker to right the wrong!

as you sow, so shall you reap

Grin Grin Grin



it isn't a 'wrong'.  it is a 'right'.
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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #34 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:05am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:33am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 9:56am:
This is such a 'dud' argument.

Labor had plenty of time in office to reverse Howard's tax cuts and Howard's GST?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 9:36am:
They sold $90Bn of public assets to pay a $70Bn debt


If there was no Labor debt there would have been no reason to sell?

Besides it's not like Labor didn't sell anything? 

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/Untitled-2.jpg

Which Bank?

So, where am I wrong?

Costello would have sold the assets anyway


Why?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:33am:
and the lack of income from these former public assets is another drag on the Budget.


That is true.  So I'll repeat.  Had there been no Labor accumulated debt then asset sales would not have been necessary.

Labor creates the debt with pork barrelling and the Coalition has to sort it out and then cops the political flack for doing so.

It's a political cracked record.... Roll Eyes
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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #35 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:08am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:05am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:33am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 9:56am:
This is such a 'dud' argument.

Labor had plenty of time in office to reverse Howard's tax cuts and Howard's GST?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 9:36am:
They sold $90Bn of public assets to pay a $70Bn debt


If there was no Labor debt there would have been no reason to sell?

Besides it's not like Labor didn't sell anything? 

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/Untitled-2.jpg

Which Bank?

So, where am I wrong?

Costello would have sold the assets anyway


Why?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:33am:
and the lack of income from these former public assets is another drag on the Budget.


That is true.  So I'll repeat.  Had there been no Labor accumulated debt then asset sales would not have been necessary.

Labor creates the debt with pork barrelling and the Coalition has to sort it out and then cops the political flack for doing so.

It's a political cracked record.... Roll Eyes


Yep, I don't know of too many people who sell their belongings to pay off debt when they're NOT in debt.
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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #36 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:26am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:54am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:47am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:41am:
Hard to believe they still don't comprehend the simple fact that Labor had ample time and plenty of opportunity to change Howard and Costello's tax cuts if they felt so strongly about them being such a bad thing, yet Swan failed to even TRY to do that.


I doubt Abbott has the ticker to right the wrong!

as you sow, so shall you reap

Grin Grin Grin


If there was a wrong there to begin with, which there wasn't. Swan was Treasurer during a time when revenue was higher than the best years of Costello, yet Swan's expenses far outstripped that increased revenue. In short, Swan is an incompetent oaf who couldn't balance an empty plate, much less a budget.

Revenue was Swan’s and is now Hokey’s problem.

Swan was a great Treasurer who got us the 9As and saw our economy move to be the twelfth largest!

Swan cut huge swathes of Howard’s irresponsible spending out the Budget, Baby Bonus gone, PHR means tested, PS slimmed down with an unending series of efficiency dividends etc. Moves made to remove some of the bigger rorts available only to the super rich—reversed by the Libs! Trying to increase income tax from minority govt—not possible! The minor cost of the Carbon Price caused enough problems but it was done. Bet Hokey wishes he still had the Carbon Price revenue!
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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #37 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:29am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:08am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:05am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:33am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 9:56am:
This is such a 'dud' argument.

Labor had plenty of time in office to reverse Howard's tax cuts and Howard's GST?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 9:36am:
They sold $90Bn of public assets to pay a $70Bn debt


If there was no Labor debt there would have been no reason to sell?

Besides it's not like Labor didn't sell anything? 

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/Untitled-2.jpg

Which Bank?

So, where am I wrong?

Costello would have sold the assets anyway


Why?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:33am:
and the lack of income from these former public assets is another drag on the Budget.


That is true.  So I'll repeat.  Had there been no Labor accumulated debt then asset sales would not have been necessary.

Labor creates the debt with pork barrelling and the Coalition has to sort it out and then cops the political flack for doing so.

It's a political cracked record.... Roll Eyes


Yep, I don't know of too many people who sell their belongings to pay off debt when they're NOT in debt.


meet a lib
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/desalination-plants-power-stat...
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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #38 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:52am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:26am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:54am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:47am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:41am:
Hard to believe they still don't comprehend the simple fact that Labor had ample time and plenty of opportunity to change Howard and Costello's tax cuts if they felt so strongly about them being such a bad thing, yet Swan failed to even TRY to do that.


I doubt Abbott has the ticker to right the wrong!

as you sow, so shall you reap

Grin Grin Grin


If there was a wrong there to begin with, which there wasn't. Swan was Treasurer during a time when revenue was higher than the best years of Costello, yet Swan's expenses far outstripped that increased revenue. In short, Swan is an incompetent oaf who couldn't balance an empty plate, much less a budget.

Revenue was Swan’s and is now Hokey’s problem.

Swan was a great Treasurer who got us the 9As and saw our economy move to be the twelfth largest!

Swan cut huge swathes of Howard’s irresponsible spending out the Budget, Baby Bonus gone, PHR means tested, PS slimmed down with an unending series of efficiency dividends etc. Moves made to remove some of the bigger rorts available only to the super rich—reversed by the Libs! Trying to increase income tax from minority govt—not possible! The minor cost of the Carbon Price caused enough problems but it was done. Bet Hokey wishes he still had the Carbon Price revenue!



you are such a liar.  the PS increased by over 20,000.  Swan INCREASED spending in real terms at every budget.

you just lie about everything.
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Reply #39 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:55am
 
Link or you are lying, Longy!

If no link I will report your comments on me lying as abuse!
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Reply #40 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:57am
 
Swag, Costello would have sold those assets anyway—ideology! Neoconservatism, reward your mates with plum pieces of public assets at firesales prices (e.g. CSL sold for $2/share, month later they were at $20/share.

You need to realise the Liberals today are not the preHoward Liberals.
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Reply #41 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 12:01pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:41am:
Hard to believe they still don't comprehend the simple fact that Labor had ample time and plenty of opportunity to change Howard and Costello's tax cuts if they felt so strongly about them being such a bad thing, yet Swan failed to even TRY to do that.


Labor had ample time and plenty of opportunity to change Howard and Costello's tax cuts

A government who increases income tax is soon to be an X government - they won't do it, Tony either.
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Reply #42 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 12:10pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:03am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:42am:
John Hewson, former Liberal leader, economist and now professor with the Crawford School of Public Policy at the Australian National University, underlines the point: “The tax cuts Howard and Costello gave are now costing [the budget] about $30 billion a year, and the deficit’s $40 billion.”

Without those cuts and the $9 billion Hockey gave – unasked for and against the will of treasury – to the Reserve Bank, says Hewson, “the deficit problem wouldn’t exist”.

And that’s without including some $40 billion in tax concessions for superannuation, which accrue overwhelmingly to the wealthiest 20 per cent of taxpayers.


that is rather a simplistic view that typically comes from ivory tower economists.  if you reversed those tax cuts almost everyone would be paying around 20% more tax that presently.  Current take is around $165Bpa in income tax.  to add $30B to it requires increasing income tax by 20%.  so why not increase taxes by 30% instead?  since increasing income tax seems to not have any impact on the economy according to nutters like this why not make it 40%?

it is a basic tenet of economics - or at least real world economics - is that taxes are a drag on economic growth.  they are a necessary evil, but they are an evil just the same.  So the answer is in the balance of keeping them as low as possible yet meeting the legitimate needs of govt.  Raising taxes is a cheats way of temporarily raising more money  but dragging the economy down further. But it is worth noting that cutting expenditure never gets mentioned unless it is about something that affects only the high income earners.

I'd love to see you boofheads explain to low income earners why you are increasing their income tax by 20%.


Another thing that is a drag on the economy is inequality.  So let's kill 2 birds with one stone: increase taxes at the highest end where you'll reap most reward with minimal economic damage, and stop trying to cut from the bottom 20%.

There you go, problem solved.
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Reply #43 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 12:36pm
 
YuJohn Smith wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:29am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:08am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:05am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:33am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 9:56am:
This is such a 'dud' argument.

Labor had plenty of time in office to reverse Howard's tax cuts and Howard's GST?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 9:36am:
They sold $90Bn of public assets to pay a $70Bn debt


If there was no Labor debt there would have been no reason to sell?

Besides it's not like Labor didn't sell anything? 

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/Untitled-2.jpg

Which Bank?

So, where am I wrong?

Costello would have sold the assets anyway


Why?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:33am:
and the lack of income from these former public assets is another drag on the Budget.


That is true.  So I'll repeat.  Had there been no Labor accumulated debt then asset sales would not have been necessary.

Labor creates the debt with pork barrelling and the Coalition has to sort it out and then cops the political flack for doing so.

It's a political cracked record.... Roll Eyes


Yep, I don't know of too many people who sell their belongings to pay off debt when they're NOT in debt.


meet a lib
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/desalination-plants-power-stat...


Ask a WA lib voter , that 22 billion is "good debt"  Grin
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Re: Howards Tax Cuts Undid Abbott
Reply #44 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 12:51pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 12:10pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:03am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:42am:
John Hewson, former Liberal leader, economist and now professor with the Crawford School of Public Policy at the Australian National University, underlines the point: “The tax cuts Howard and Costello gave are now costing [the budget] about $30 billion a year, and the deficit’s $40 billion.”

Without those cuts and the $9 billion Hockey gave – unasked for and against the will of treasury – to the Reserve Bank, says Hewson, “the deficit problem wouldn’t exist”.

And that’s without including some $40 billion in tax concessions for superannuation, which accrue overwhelmingly to the wealthiest 20 per cent of taxpayers.


that is rather a simplistic view that typically comes from ivory tower economists.  if you reversed those tax cuts almost everyone would be paying around 20% more tax that presently.  Current take is around $165Bpa in income tax.  to add $30B to it requires increasing income tax by 20%.  so why not increase taxes by 30% instead?  since increasing income tax seems to not have any impact on the economy according to nutters like this why not make it 40%?

it is a basic tenet of economics - or at least real world economics - is that taxes are a drag on economic growth.  they are a necessary evil, but they are an evil just the same.  So the answer is in the balance of keeping them as low as possible yet meeting the legitimate needs of govt.  Raising taxes is a cheats way of temporarily raising more money  but dragging the economy down further. But it is worth noting that cutting expenditure never gets mentioned unless it is about something that affects only the high income earners.

I'd love to see you boofheads explain to low income earners why you are increasing their income tax by 20%.


Another thing that is a drag on the economy is inequality.  So let's kill 2 birds with one stone: increase taxes at the highest end where you'll reap most reward with minimal economic damage, and stop trying to cut from the bottom 20%.

There you go, problem solved.


That's not equality.  That's targeting a minority. Economic apartheid  Cheesy
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