John Smith wrote on Dec 30
th, 2014 at 10:53am:
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 30
th, 2014 at 10:17am:
Swagman wrote on Dec 30
th, 2014 at 9:43am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30
th, 2014 at 9:31am:
Swagman wrote on Dec 29
th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
Depends on your vantage point.
how about picking an amount and leaving it there, rather than changing it with every policy .... if 80k is rich, don't claim 150k is poor when they're talking about cuts ...
afterall, you are really concerned about the deficit aren't you? It's wasn't just an excuse to bitch about labor, was it?
Seriously, the Debt levy should have started at $80K (for singles)
My message about tax is simply that the main tax burden is on a minority of people which has to be acknowledged.
We know it’s your "message", Swagman. The point is you’ve proven it wrong. Those on incomes between $38,000 and $180,000 contribute 70% of income tax - the main tax burden. Income tax, as you have also shown, is the largest source of federal taxes.
If your message and your figures are so far out of whack, it dampens the rest of your argument - like the one on penalty rates (which has nothing to do with taxation). It makes you come across as a flagwaver for some other agenda.
This, of course, is exactly the problem the Abbott government is in. They don’t want to raise company taxes because they fear pushing business offshore. They can raise the GST, but this money simply goes to the states. All they have is income tax, which is against their policy to raise as well.
It’s also against their economic theory, which holds that you get more revenue if you
lower taxes. Bush, of course, tried this in the states and ended up with a deficit in the trillions.
Oh, and it’s also the Libs’ economic theory to run a surplus.
Looks like Mr Abbott can’t win, doesn’t it? Looks like the only way to achieve victory is to change the "message".
Good propaganda, comrade.
and this is the whole problem with the rhetoric from the liberal party ... they say one thing, do another ..
after all their complaining about budget deficit, they spend every dollar they cut in spending on NEW areas .. they cut taxes when revenue is falling, increase spending when complaining about spending to much ... they don't appear to have a clue
Under Howard, they governed through a mining boom and got lucky. They pretended they kept interest rates down, when this is the job of the RBA.
Previously under Fraser, they trashed the economy. They kept spending despite recession and huge terms of trade problems. It was left to Hawke and Keating to reform the economy, which paved the way for the Howard government’s lucky streak.
The difference between Rudd/Gillard and Abbott is that the former governments had a plan. They stuck to their guns. They rolled out the NBN. They had a plan to rationalise school funding through Gonski. They had a plan to get more people with disabilities into the workforce through the NDIS.
These were all economic reforms. We are at the end of a mining boom and need to get other sectors up and running. Abbott’s plan is to axe the carbon and mining taxes - that’s it. He’s done.
But wait, there’s more. He now has plans to make massive cuts to health, education and welfare, but put this money into other areas. If the Abbott government had a plan all along, they didn’t do very well at explaining it, as Hockey and Abbott have now conceded.
All Rudd and Gillard ever did was explain their plan. Constantly. They were criticised for being all talk, and in many cases they were. Most of their plans had problems being implimented.
Unlike the current government, however, they were all implimented. They achieved support for their plans in a minority government. This alone shows excellent negotiating skills. Even Bob Katter had good things to say about Gillard.
Mind you, Abbott has quietly done some important trade deals with China and Japan. These deals are important, and the Libs would trumpet them more if they weren’t scared of putting the National Party’s noses out of joint.
The Libs have backed themselves into a corner by opposing Labor as high-taxing spendthrifts, when taxing and spending is the only thing that will put the economy on track again. This is the message of discontented ex-Nationals like Bob Katter, and it’s popular in the bush. If it involves spending on energy reforms like renewables, it will be popular in the city too.
If the Libs want to move from being an opposition to a government, they need a plan. They also need to adjust their ideology of austerity if they want to turn the economy around. This ideology worked well in boom times, it does not work well now.
It worked well when the Libs were in opposition and didn’t need to make any unpopular cuts. Politically, this won’t work now.
Essentially, the Libs are falling on their own sword. Their chickens are coming home to roost. They could turn things around, but it would raise the obvious question of what the Liberal Party truly stands for.
And Abbott and Hockey are not up to this task.