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Reply #15 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:27pm
 
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 11:48pm:


...ironic to see a raving lefty fruitloop using a 'righty' to educate the masses...

Couldn't find a credible Pinko one I suppose?  Grin
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Reply #16 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:36pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:10pm:
It is just another wannabe PM lamenting how everything would have been better if HE had been in charge.  Howards tax cuts weren't even actual cuts but merely manually keeping tax indexation.

And is there anyone who really believes that if there were another $30Bpa available, that Rudd and Gillard wouldn't have spent that well before now?

and if the argument were true then it does not explain Rudd giving further tax cuts and neither labor buffoon removing them.


How can the article not be true? The Howard tax cuts and super tax concessions to the rich were unprecedented. The IMF described Howard government as the most "profligate" government in Australia’s history. Most of its spending went to the top 10% of earners. It gave the mining boom away, and we now have nothing to show for it.

Without those tax cuts, we’d be 30 billion richer a year. The current deficit is 40 billion. This article describes the legacy bequeathed to Abbott.

And it’s spot-on.
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Reply #17 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:38pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:10pm:
It is just another wannabe PM lamenting how everything would have been better if HE had been in charge.  .


As opposed to the wannabe groupie who keeps making excuses for the disaster that he voted for

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:10pm:
And is there anyone who really believes that if there were another $30Bpa available, that Rudd and Gillard wouldn't have spent that well before now?


your tarrot card reader tell you that?

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:10pm:
if the argument were true then it does not explain Rudd giving further tax cuts and neither labor buffoon removing them.


Rudds tax cuts were compensation for other measures he was introducing ... as for neither removing them, the libs blocked every savings measure labor Gillard tried to bring in ..

Abbott on the other hand has a majority parliment ...  he should have no trouble making changes  Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Reply #18 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:40pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:12pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 4:43pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 3:46pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 3:00pm:
And that’s without including some $40 billion in tax concessions for superannuation, which accrue overwhelmingly to the wealthiest 20 per cent of taxpayers


The only ones that pay net tax anyway....


so we spend more money than our whole pension system? didn't we have a budget emergency?


Maybe the question you should be asking is why NO ONE from either party is suggesting removing this concession.  Perhaps they know something you don't?  for starters, if you remove the concession there is absolutely ZERO reason to put money into super, none at all.  so what happens come retirement time???  NOT ENOUGH MONEY.


what happens at retirement time is the same thing that happens now, to those less well off

govts not there to prop up your lifestyle .. it's there to provide the basics
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Reply #19 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:41pm
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:27pm:
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 11:48pm:


...ironic to see a raving lefty fruitloop using a 'righty' to educate the masses...

Couldn't find a credible Pinko one I suppose?  Grin



plenty ... but quoting a leftie just brings out the usual trash responses from the retards  ... he was hoping you might actually listen when one of your own
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Reply #20 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:50pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:41pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:27pm:
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 11:48pm:


...ironic to see a raving lefty fruitloop using a 'righty' to educate the masses...

Couldn't find a credible Pinko one I suppose?  Grin



plenty ... but quoting a leftie just brings out the usual trash responses from the retards  ... he was hoping you might actually listen when one of your own


I was a supporter of Dr John's 15% GST.

...and speaking of 'retards' it was you Lefties that rejected it.

20 years with 50% more GST revenue foregone tends to blunt the mythical structural deficit theory
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Reply #21 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 6:10pm
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:41pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:27pm:
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 11:48pm:


...ironic to see a raving lefty fruitloop using a 'righty' to educate the masses...

Couldn't find a credible Pinko one I suppose?  Grin



plenty ... but quoting a leftie just brings out the usual trash responses from the retards  ... he was hoping you might actually listen when one of your own


I was a supporter of Dr John's 15% GST.

...and speaking of 'retards' it was you Lefties that rejected it.

20 years with 50% more GST revenue foregone tends to blunt the mythical structural deficit theory


GST? I don't believe that was mention in the OP ... perhaps you'd like to comment on the already numerable things the libs got wrong ...

afterall, there is no need to add more to the list just yet.
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Reply #22 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 7:31pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 6:10pm:
GST? I don't believe that was mention in the OP


....yes it was ignored in the linked article too which just shows it isn't worth a piece of piss  Grin
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Reply #23 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 8:04pm
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:27pm:
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 11:48pm:


...ironic to see a raving lefty fruitloop using a 'righty' to educate the masses...

Couldn't find a credible Pinko one I suppose?  Grin


What's wrong swag? Clutching at straws attacking the poster don't you think? Once again Hewson tells it exactly as it is. What don't you deflect like you always do and refer to yourself as Australia's only net taxpayer , you got nothing  Cheesy
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Reply #24 - Dec 22nd, 2014 at 6:31am
 
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:36pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:10pm:
It is just another wannabe PM lamenting how everything would have been better if HE had been in charge.  Howards tax cuts weren't even actual cuts but merely manually keeping tax indexation.

And is there anyone who really believes that if there were another $30Bpa available, that Rudd and Gillard wouldn't have spent that well before now?

and if the argument were true then it does not explain Rudd giving further tax cuts and neither labor buffoon removing them.


How can the article not be true? The Howard tax cuts and super tax concessions to the rich were unprecedented. The IMF described Howard government as the most "profligate" government in Australia’s history. Most of its spending went to the top 10% of earners. It gave the mining boom away, and we now have nothing to show for it.

Without those tax cuts, we’d be 30 billion richer a year. The current deficit is 40 billion. This article describes the legacy bequeathed to Abbott.

And it’s spot-on.


bequeathed to Abbott from Rudd/Gillard or did you miss 6 intervening years?  and has it ever occurred to you that the best solution to any deficit, personal or government is to CUT SPENDING?

it appears not.
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Reply #25 - Dec 22nd, 2014 at 6:33am
 
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:36pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:10pm:
It is just another wannabe PM lamenting how everything would have been better if HE had been in charge.  Howards tax cuts weren't even actual cuts but merely manually keeping tax indexation.

And is there anyone who really believes that if there were another $30Bpa available, that Rudd and Gillard wouldn't have spent that well before now?

and if the argument were true then it does not explain Rudd giving further tax cuts and neither labor buffoon removing them.


How can the article not be true? The Howard tax cuts and super tax concessions to the rich were unprecedented. The IMF described Howard government as the most "profligate" government in Australia’s history. Most of its spending went to the top 10% of earners. It gave the mining boom away, and we now have nothing to show for it.

Without those tax cuts, we’d be 30 billion richer a year. The current deficit is 40 billion. This article describes the legacy bequeathed to Abbott.

And it’s spot-on.



WE would be $30B richer????


the GOVT would be $30B richer and WE (ie you and me) would be $30B poorer. 

or did you miss this concept???
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Reply #26 - Dec 22nd, 2014 at 6:33am
 
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:36pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:10pm:
It is just another wannabe PM lamenting how everything would have been better if HE had been in charge.  Howards tax cuts weren't even actual cuts but merely manually keeping tax indexation.

And is there anyone who really believes that if there were another $30Bpa available, that Rudd and Gillard wouldn't have spent that well before now?

and if the argument were true then it does not explain Rudd giving further tax cuts and neither labor buffoon removing them.


How can the article not be true? The Howard tax cuts and super tax concessions to the rich were unprecedented. The IMF described Howard government as the most "profligate" government in Australia’s history. Most of its spending went to the top 10% of earners. It gave the mining boom away, and we now have nothing to show for it.

Without those tax cuts, we’d be 30 billion richer a year. The current deficit is 40 billion. This article describes the legacy bequeathed to Abbott.

And it’s spot-on.


unprecedented and profligate are such evocative terms which when taken out of context give the completely wrong answer.  To make my point I refer you to a conversation I had to a woman who won $13M in powerball.  her spending was both unprecedented and profligate by the standards of most people and her former experience.  But she was very responsible and still had most of it.

Howard's boom was also unprecedented and gave him opportunities to do what no one else had done.  "profligate' is one of those terms sometimes used by people who are envious of those with much.

Howards tax cuts were far from unprecedented.  The way soe of you carry on you would think there has never been tax cuts before or since even tho Fraser, hawke, Keating, Rudd and Gillard did exactly that.

as for the 'nothing to show for it' claim it sometimes beggars the understanding as to how some people can be so dense.  Howard paid off the national debt of $96B.  He put $45B in the bank for a rainy day.  He put $80B into a future fund as well as built infrastructure.

$230BILLION.

and what did rudd and Gillard do?  SPENT EVERY CENT AND THEN SOME.  and what do we have to show for it?  school halls, wanted or not, useful or not.

nothing else.
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Reply #27 - Dec 22nd, 2014 at 8:10am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 6:33am:
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:36pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:10pm:
It is just another wannabe PM lamenting how everything would have been better if HE had been in charge.  Howards tax cuts weren't even actual cuts but merely manually keeping tax indexation.

And is there anyone who really believes that if there were another $30Bpa available, that Rudd and Gillard wouldn't have spent that well before now?

and if the argument were true then it does not explain Rudd giving further tax cuts and neither labor buffoon removing them.


How can the article not be true? The Howard tax cuts and super tax concessions to the rich were unprecedented. The IMF described Howard government as the most "profligate" government in Australia’s history. Most of its spending went to the top 10% of earners. It gave the mining boom away, and we now have nothing to show for it.

Without those tax cuts, we’d be 30 billion richer a year. The current deficit is 40 billion. This article describes the legacy bequeathed to Abbott.

And it’s spot-on.


unprecedented and profligate are such evocative terms which when taken out of context give the completely wrong answer.  To make my point I refer you to a conversation I had to a woman who won $13M in powerball.  her spending was both unprecedented and profligate by the standards of most people and her former experience.  But she was very responsible and still had most of it.

Howard's boom was also unprecedented and gave him opportunities to do what no one else had done.  "profligate' is one of those terms sometimes used by people who are envious of those with much.

Howards tax cuts were far from unprecedented.  The way soe of you carry on you would think there has never been tax cuts before or since even tho Fraser, hawke, Keating, Rudd and Gillard did exactly that.

as for the 'nothing to show for it' claim it sometimes beggars the understanding as to how some people can be so dense.  Howard paid off the national debt of $96B.  He put $45B in the bank for a rainy day.  He put $80B into a future fund as well as built infrastructure.

$230BILLION.

and what did rudd and Gillard do?  SPENT EVERY CENT AND THEN SOME.  and what do we have to show for it?  school halls, wanted or not, useful or not.

nothing else.


Longy, the "futures fund" is another term for federal employees’ superannuation. The Howard government did not spend on infrastructure. 45 billion after 11 years in government and two of the biggest mining booms in history is, yes, nothing to show for it.

The Howard government has left Abbott with an age of entitlement, tax cuts for the rich, and the idea of a permanent mining boom.  Alas, the party’s over.
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Reply #28 - Dec 22nd, 2014 at 8:23am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 6:33am:
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:36pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:10pm:
It is just another wannabe PM lamenting how everything would have been better if HE had been in charge.  Howards tax cuts weren't even actual cuts but merely manually keeping tax indexation.

And is there anyone who really believes that if there were another $30Bpa available, that Rudd and Gillard wouldn't have spent that well before now?

and if the argument were true then it does not explain Rudd giving further tax cuts and neither labor buffoon removing them.


How can the article not be true? The Howard tax cuts and super tax concessions to the rich were unprecedented. The IMF described Howard government as the most "profligate" government in Australia’s history. Most of its spending went to the top 10% of earners. It gave the mining boom away, and we now have nothing to show for it.

Without those tax cuts, we’d be 30 billion richer a year. The current deficit is 40 billion. This article describes the legacy bequeathed to Abbott.

And it’s spot-on.


unprecedented and profligate are such evocative terms which when taken out of context give the completely wrong answer.  To make my point I refer you to a conversation I had to a woman who won $13M in powerball.  her spending was both unprecedented and profligate by the standards of most people and her former experience.  But she was very responsible and still had most of it.

Howard's boom was also unprecedented and gave him opportunities to do what no one else had done.  "profligate' is one of those terms sometimes used by people who are envious of those with much.

Howards tax cuts were far from unprecedented.  The way soe of you carry on you would think there has never been tax cuts before or since even tho Fraser, hawke, Keating, Rudd and Gillard did exactly that.

as for the 'nothing to show for it' claim it sometimes beggars the understanding as to how some people can be so dense.  Howard paid off the national debt of $96B.  He put $45B in the bank for a rainy day.  He put $80B into a future fund as well as built infrastructure.

$230BILLION.

and what did rudd and Gillard do?  SPENT EVERY CENT AND THEN SOME.  and what do we have to show for it?  school halls, wanted or not, useful or not.

nothing else.


Longy, the "futures fund" is another term for federal employees’ superannuation. The Howard government did not spend on infrastructure. 45 billion after 11 years in government and two of the biggest mining booms in history is, yes, nothing to show for it.

The Howard government has left Abbott with an age of entitlement, tax cuts for the rich, and the idea of a permanent mining boom.  Alas, the party’s over.

Crocodile has given you an excellent analysis of deficits and public and private spending. Now in government, Hockey’s message is changing from making cuts and delivering surpluses to "buffering the economy".

And he has no hope of reaching surplus in his first term, which was again a key election promise.

The current government’s chickens are home to roost. It has gone back on every principle it stated in opposition. It will now abandon its key economic plan and sit with declining revenues and high spending.

If it had the balls it says it has, the Abbott government would raise income tax and abandon the super tax concessiins. There’s 30 billion a year.

Instead, it would prefer to cut welfare, "reform" higher education and charge for GP visits. All these changes, according to the government, are revenue neutral. The GP tax goes into medical research. Uni funding is all about "flexibility". Pensioners "won’t lose a cent".

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.
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Reply #29 - Dec 22nd, 2014 at 8:24am
 
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 8:10am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 6:33am:
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:36pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:10pm:
It is just another wannabe PM lamenting how everything would have been better if HE had been in charge.  Howards tax cuts weren't even actual cuts but merely manually keeping tax indexation.

And is there anyone who really believes that if there were another $30Bpa available, that Rudd and Gillard wouldn't have spent that well before now?

and if the argument were true then it does not explain Rudd giving further tax cuts and neither labor buffoon removing them.


How can the article not be true? The Howard tax cuts and super tax concessions to the rich were unprecedented. The IMF described Howard government as the most "profligate" government in Australia’s history. Most of its spending went to the top 10% of earners. It gave the mining boom away, and we now have nothing to show for it.

Without those tax cuts, we’d be 30 billion richer a year. The current deficit is 40 billion. This article describes the legacy bequeathed to Abbott.

And it’s spot-on.


unprecedented and profligate are such evocative terms which when taken out of context give the completely wrong answer.  To make my point I refer you to a conversation I had to a woman who won $13M in powerball.  her spending was both unprecedented and profligate by the standards of most people and her former experience.  But she was very responsible and still had most of it.

Howard's boom was also unprecedented and gave him opportunities to do what no one else had done.  "profligate' is one of those terms sometimes used by people who are envious of those with much.

Howards tax cuts were far from unprecedented.  The way soe of you carry on you would think there has never been tax cuts before or since even tho Fraser, hawke, Keating, Rudd and Gillard did exactly that.

as for the 'nothing to show for it' claim it sometimes beggars the understanding as to how some people can be so dense.  Howard paid off the national debt of $96B.  He put $45B in the bank for a rainy day.  He put $80B into a future fund as well as built infrastructure.

$230BILLION.

and what did rudd and Gillard do?  SPENT EVERY CENT AND THEN SOME.  and what do we have to show for it?  school halls, wanted or not, useful or not.

nothing else.


Longy, the "futures fund" is another term for federal employees’ superannuation.   
so what?  do you think that makes it any less valuable?  It is still a liability that has to be paid our of taxation if not for this fund.
The Howard government did not spend on infrastructure.
yeah... you keep believing that.  12 years and nothing on infrastructure?  you believe anything if it suits you.  who built roads? who built hospitals? and the rest?
45 billion after 11 years in government and two of the biggest mining booms in history is, yes, nothing to show for it. 
I know you cant count so I will count for you.  it was $230B, not $45B.  that's not a bad effort.  and you lovely labor borrowed almost exactly that amount and all we got were school halls of dubious value.  now THATS a failure.

The Howard government has left Abbott with an age of entitlement, tax cuts for the rich, and the idea of a permanent mining boom.  Alas, the party’s over.


except it was tax cuts for EVERYONE and the age of entitlement wasn't exactly reigned in by Rudd/Gillard who literally splashed hundreds of billions of dollars around for which we have nothing to show for it.
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