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Reply #225 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 12:28am

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 12:04am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:02pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

No, Swagman’s right

....and John Smith's wrong Wink

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Impossible .... ask my wife, I'm never wrong. I've already outlined a few benefits for the rich for you Swag, Karnal outlined a few more ... what was wrong?

Why? Due to the fact that the govt takes a huge proportion of the income in tax and returns a smidgeon in rebate from the so called rich. That is just shuffling deck chairs, smoke and mirrors, slight of hand stuff. Not a benefit but a con.

If you want to gauge what society segment benefits the most then simply consider the effect of closing down Centerlink and halting all social security payments. Pensions, FTB, Newstart etc.

Who would that effect the most? Huh

The so-called rich receive nothing from this source.

Exactly. You’re on fire today, Swagman. "The rich" don’t qualify for the dole.

One thing "the rich" do get is subsidized private schools. This alone costs the budget a few bil.

You are just emphasizing your ignorance.... Cheesy

Private education actually subsidises Govt.

Private education saves the tax-payer around $8.9 billion a year.....

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Non-government schools represent significant cost savings to governments. Students in non-government schools receive a much lower level of government funding with the main source of income coming from parental and family contributions.

The cost to governments of educating school students would be higher if more students attended a government school. Using Productivity Commission data, ISCA estimates that the total savings in government expenditure from students attending non-government schools was $8.9 billion in 2011-12

Good propaganda from the private schools lobby, comrade.

Those private school parents would never send their kids to state schools. They pay thousands a year to avoid doing so.

It’s the same as the health insurance lobbies telling everyone they take the burden off the public hospital system, when in reality, people on private health insurance are placed in public hospitals all the time.

I get the feeling you’re not "rich", Swagman. I doubt you’re on a high income, and I doubt you don’t pay for all these expensive private services yourself. My hunch is you’re an ordinary cog in the machine like the rest of us.

I could be wrong, of course. Feel free to fill me in.

It beats me why people defend rorts they themselves will never be entitled to, but that’s life, I guess. I’m not entitled to the welfare benefits I defend. According to you, I’m "the rich".

The thing is, I know I’m an accident or a serious illness away from the disability pension and a life on welfare. We all are. I’ve met a few ex-high fliers who are in just this position today.

As Tony Abbott would say, sh!t happens.

And it's not the government's job to shelter you from life, PB.

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Melanias purse Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 101580	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #226 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 1:12am Any port in a storm, old boy. We sheltered you. Stool happens, no?
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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #227 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:28am

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Ah yes, tax deductions. One of the many benefits of company tax, as opposed to income tax.

Still, we’re all equal, eh?

you sure do struggle to make much sense at the best of time.

I sure do, Longy. It’s not easy.

Did you get good marks in sense as well?

you are just dog-stupid. it is no more complex than that.

you complain that you didn't understand, and then call him dog stupid because YOU don't understand? His comment made perfect sense to me .

here's a possibility I bet you never considered ... could you maybe have not understood because it is YOU who is dog stupid? Maybe you can discuss it with your mates next time you go for a drink Cheesy

the direct comparison of company and income tax IS a stupid one. the deductions are altogether different as is the money stream. I would have thought you would know that in your job.

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Reply #228 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:30am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

So far, we’ve got subsidized private schools, untaxed income that goes into super - what else?

How about negative gearing? There are plenty of others.

If we got rid of these perks, we’d be in surplus in two years time.

Or as the topic shows had the Howard government not permanently given away a temporary flood of money in a boom period structurally undermining the budget we would have never been in deficit to begin with.

a tad simplistic, don't you think? Perhaps if Rudd and Gillard had spent only money they had in stead of money they borrowed they likewise would have kept us in surplus. But the be fair, the GFC was a good reason to go into deficit, but the GFC has many years ago now and we are still in deficit, implying they didnt not spend in the short-term but put in place unfunded programs that we are still borrowing for to cover now.

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Reply #229 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:08am

We are still paying Costello’s unsustainable tax cuts and the huge Howard middle class welfare he put in the Budget.

Rudd at least responded promptly to the GFC—if he hadn’t we would have gone into recession and that would have cost the Budget much more. The Gillard/Swan govt cut swathes of Howard’s reckless spending from the Budget but the really big items are still untouched.

Howard—a REALLY crap Treasurer and worse PM!

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Reply #230 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 6:38am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:30am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

So far, we’ve got subsidized private schools, untaxed income that goes into super - what else?

How about negative gearing? There are plenty of others.

If we got rid of these perks, we’d be in surplus in two years time.

Or as the topic shows had the Howard government not permanently given away a temporary flood of money in a boom period structurally undermining the budget we would have never been in deficit to begin with.

a tad simplistic, don't you think? Perhaps if Rudd and Gillard had spent only money they had in stead of money they borrowed they likewise would have kept us in surplus. But the be fair, the GFC was a good reason to go into deficit, but the GFC has many years ago now and we are still in deficit, implying they didnt not spend in the short-term but put in place unfunded programs that we are still borrowing for to cover now.

And you say that my position is simplistic, my position agrees with the international assesments and past Liberal leaders. Howard and Costello structurally set entrenched government spending at a level requiring the best economic income to continue indefinitely in order to stay afloat. The Australian economy returning to its normal parameters meant that the income level was insufficient to pay the bills. This is the root of our financial problem, unsustainable spending levels entrenched into the economic structure by Howard and co.

They really believed that the good times would last forever and spent accordingly.

When the economy was booming, John Howard significantly cut taxes for the rich. Now that the economy is struggling, the Abbott solution is to cut spending on the poor.

Tax cuts primarily benefitting the high end put us where we are but to fix it we need sick people pay to see a doctor to cut universities support and charge students more.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #231 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 9:06am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:30am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

So far, we’ve got subsidized private schools, untaxed income that goes into super - what else?

How about negative gearing? There are plenty of others.

If we got rid of these perks, we’d be in surplus in two years time.

Or as the topic shows had the Howard government not permanently given away a temporary flood of money in a boom period structurally undermining the budget we would have never been in deficit to begin with.

a tad simplistic, don't you think? Perhaps if Rudd and Gillard had spent only money they had in stead of money they borrowed they likewise would have kept us in surplus. But the be fair, the GFC was a good reason to go into deficit, but the GFC has many years ago now and we are still in deficit, implying they didnt not spend in the short-term but put in place unfunded programs that we are still borrowing for to cover now.

A tad simplistic, don’t you think?

If Rudd & Gillard had tried to keep the Budget in surplus there would have been high unemployment meaning income tax revenue would have plummeted and NewStart payments sky rocketed. Housing would have collapsed as the numerous unemployed could not keep up their mortgage payments and as a consequence at least one bank would have fallen over.

No, running a deficit was the right thing to do and deficits are still the correct setting now. But we do need to undo the grave damage Howard & Costello did to the Budget and economy.

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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #232 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 9:09am Quote: Prepare to be educated righties How can I be educated by some of most stupid people of this earth, ???? entertainment is what we should be prepared for instead of education by the DOPEY LEFT.
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Reply #233 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 10:13am

stryder wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 9:09am:

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Prepare to be educated righties

How can I be educated by some of most stupid people of this earth, ????

entertainment is what we should be prepared for instead of education by the DOPEY LEFT. Grin

When you get a bit older and mature it may start making sense to you.

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Reply #234 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 10:15am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Ah yes, tax deductions. One of the many benefits of company tax, as opposed to income tax.

Still, we’re all equal, eh?

you sure do struggle to make much sense at the best of time.

I sure do, Longy. It’s not easy.

Did you get good marks in sense as well?

you are just dog-stupid. it is no more complex than that.

you complain that you didn't understand, and then call him dog stupid because YOU don't understand? His comment made perfect sense to me .

here's a possibility I bet you never considered ... could you maybe have not understood because it is YOU who is dog stupid? Maybe you can discuss it with your mates next time you go for a drink Cheesy

the direct comparison of company and income tax IS a stupid one. the deductions are altogether different as is the money stream. I would have thought you would know that in your job.

it wasn't a direct comparison longie, it was how the process itself is used for tax evasion purposes

how many 'small buisnesses' form companies with them and their wife or kids as sole shareholders just for the tax benfits longie? Something not available to the PAYE earner ... I know, I've used the process myself for just that purpose.

are you playing dumb for the sake of it or was it really that difficult for you?

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Reply #235 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 10:17am

stryder wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 9:09am:

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Prepare to be educated righties

How can I be educated by some of most stupid people of this earth, ????

entertainment is what we should be prepared for instead of education by the DOPEY LEFT. Grin

the fact that this man is your hero says more about your stupidity than anyone else's

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90027 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #236 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:14am I've worked on wages and as a contractor - contracting was far better in terms of tax benefits... you write off all your costs and your accountant does some massaging of figures to suit ATO standards - stay within the limits and they say nothing...
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Reply #237 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:17am

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 10:17am:

stryder wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 9:09am:

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Prepare to be educated righties

How can I be educated by some of most stupid people of this earth, ????

entertainment is what we should be prepared for instead of education by the DOPEY LEFT. Grin

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the fact that this man is your hero says more about your stupidity than anyone else's

Some stupid left leaning idiotic person out there gave you a piece of his mind and you held on to it vigorously and became a very bitter person along the way, Cool

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #238 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:17am St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:08am: We are still paying Costello’s unsustainable tax cuts ! 'We' as in the top 25% of taxpayers.....nothing new there
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