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Reply #210 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:58pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:32pm:

you forgot private health ...

one of my favourites that I get a lot of in my job ... i often get interstate landlords phone me saying, '' john, I'll be up on the GC next week, can you tell the ATO that I came to see my property please'... 'of course, I know your busy and I trust that you're looking after it properly, so I won't really waste your time or bother the tenant '

their purpose for the call, so that they can claim the trip as a tax deduction Cheesy

they get a tax deductable holiday with their families, and can't be bothered taking out 30 mins of their holiday to even look at their property Cheesy

... at least the poorer landlord always makes the extra effort and stops by to see the property

Shhhh - you'll get the sack.....

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #211 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 3:09pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:32pm:

you forgot private health ...

one of my favourites that I get a lot of in my job ... i often get interstate landlords phone me saying, '' john, I'll be up on the GC next week, can you tell the ATO that I came to see my property please'... 'of course, I know your busy and I trust that you're looking after it properly, so I won't really waste your time or bother the tenant '

their purpose for the call, so that they can claim the trip as a tax deduction Cheesy

they get a tax deductable holiday with their families, and can't be bothered taking out 30 mins of their holiday to even look at their property Cheesy

... at least the poorer landlord always makes the extra effort and stops by to see the property

Shhhh - you'll get the sack.....

I'm safe, I work for myself .... although the wife tends to disagree with that Grin

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Melanias purse Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101617	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #212 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:07pm Ah yes, tax deductions. One of the many benefits of company tax, as opposed to income tax. Still, we’re all equal, eh?
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #213 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:22pm Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:07pm: Ah yes, tax deductions. One of the many benefits of company tax, as opposed to income tax. Still, we’re all equal, eh? you sure do struggle to make much sense at the best of time.
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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #214 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:43pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Ah yes, tax deductions. One of the many benefits of company tax, as opposed to income tax.

Still, we’re all equal, eh?

you sure do struggle to make much sense at the best of time.

I sure do, Longy. It’s not easy.

Did you get good marks in sense as well?

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #215 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:57pm

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Ah yes, tax deductions. One of the many benefits of company tax, as opposed to income tax.

Still, we’re all equal, eh?

you sure do struggle to make much sense at the best of time.

I sure do, Longy. It’s not easy.

Did you get good marks in sense as well?

you are just dog-stupid. it is no more complex than that.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #216 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Ah yes, tax deductions. One of the many benefits of company tax, as opposed to income tax.

Still, we’re all equal, eh?

you sure do struggle to make much sense at the best of time.

I sure do, Longy. It’s not easy.

Did you get good marks in sense as well?

you are just dog-stupid. it is no more complex than that.

you complain that you didn't understand, and then call him dog stupid because YOU don't understand? His comment made perfect sense to me .

here's a possibility I bet you never considered ... could you maybe have not understood because it is YOU who is dog stupid? Maybe you can discuss it with your mates next time you go for a drink Cheesy

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #217 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:08pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Ah yes, tax deductions. One of the many benefits of company tax, as opposed to income tax.

Still, we’re all equal, eh?

you sure do struggle to make much sense at the best of time.

I sure do, Longy. It’s not easy.

Did you get good marks in sense as well?

you are just dog-stupid. it is no more complex than that.

you complain that you didn't understand, and then call him dog stupid because YOU don't understand? His comment made perfect sense to me .

here's a possibility I bet you never considered ... could you maybe have not understood because it is YOU who is dog stupid? Maybe you can discuss it with your mates next time you go for a drink Cheesy

No, JS, I think Longy’s smart. He manages to forget his last post as soon as he’s posted it.

If I posted such dumb things, I’d be smart enough to forget them too.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #218 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:53pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

No, Swagman’s right

....and John Smith's wrong Wink

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Impossible .... ask my wife, I'm never wrong. I've already outlined a few benefits for the rich for you Swag, Karnal outlined a few more ... what was wrong?

Why? Due to the fact that the govt takes a huge proportion of the income in tax and returns a smidgeon in rebate from the so called rich. That is just shuffling deck chairs, smoke and mirrors, slight of hand stuff. Not a benefit but a con.

If you want to gauge what society segment benefits the most then simply consider the effect of closing down Centerlink and halting all social security payments. Pensions, FTB, Newstart etc.

Who would that effect the most? Huh

The so-called rich receive nothing from this source.

This alone is evidence that the 'strugglers' of society are the primary beneficiaries of all taxation including those evil regressive taxes.

Therefore the greater the success of the rich the more tax they pay and the greater the benefit received by the 'strugglers'.

Trickle down is not a myth and the GST is not a boogie man... Grin

So you advocate that only the rich should be allowed to live?

http://www.prosebeforehos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/trickle-down-...

NO I don't advocate that. Please explain why you would think such a thing? Sad

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #219 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:02pm

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

No, Swagman’s right

....and John Smith's wrong Wink

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Drinks/drinking-43.gif

Impossible .... ask my wife, I'm never wrong. I've already outlined a few benefits for the rich for you Swag, Karnal outlined a few more ... what was wrong?

Why? Due to the fact that the govt takes a huge proportion of the income in tax and returns a smidgeon in rebate from the so called rich. That is just shuffling deck chairs, smoke and mirrors, slight of hand stuff. Not a benefit but a con.

If you want to gauge what society segment benefits the most then simply consider the effect of closing down Centerlink and halting all social security payments. Pensions, FTB, Newstart etc.

Who would that effect the most? Huh

The so-called rich receive nothing from this source.

Exactly. You’re on fire today, Swagman. "The rich" don’t qualify for the dole.

One thing "the rich" do get is subsidized private schools. This alone costs the budget a few bil.

You are just emphasizing your ignorance.... Cheesy

Private education actually subsidises Govt.

Private education saves the tax-payer around $8.9 billion a year.....

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Non-government schools represent significant cost savings to governments. Students in non-government schools receive a much lower level of government funding with the main source of income coming from parental and family contributions.

The cost to governments of educating school students would be higher if more students attended a government school. Using Productivity Commission data, ISCA estimates that the total savings in government expenditure from students attending non-government schools was $8.9 billion in 2011-12

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #220 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:07pm

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

So far, we’ve got subsidized private schools, untaxed income that goes into super - what else?

How about negative gearing? There are plenty of others.

If we got rid of these perks, we’d be in surplus in two years time.

Or as the topic shows had the Howard government not permanently given away a temporary flood of money in a boom period structurally undermining the budget we would have never been in deficit to begin with.

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Reply #221 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:16pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

No, Swagman’s right

....and John Smith's wrong Wink

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Drinks/drinking-43.gif

Impossible .... ask my wife, I'm never wrong. I've already outlined a few benefits for the rich for you Swag, Karnal outlined a few more ... what was wrong?

Why? Due to the fact that the govt takes a huge proportion of the income in tax and returns a smidgeon in rebate from the so called rich. That is just shuffling deck chairs, smoke and mirrors, slight of hand stuff. Not a benefit but a con.

If you want to gauge what society segment benefits the most then simply consider the effect of closing down Centerlink and halting all social security payments. Pensions, FTB, Newstart etc.

Who would that effect the most? Huh

The so-called rich receive nothing from this source.

This alone is evidence that the 'strugglers' of society are the primary beneficiaries of all taxation including those evil regressive taxes.

Therefore the greater the success of the rich the more tax they pay and the greater the benefit received by the 'strugglers'.

Trickle down is not a myth and the GST is not a boogie man... Grin

yes, I know your logic Swag ... if it goes to an unemployed it's a benefit, if it goes to the rich it's not a benefit but a rebate Cheesy

Keep it up! Roll Eyes

You make it sound like I am wrong somehow Smithy? Huh

A 'tax rebate' is a 'hand back' whilst a 'benefit' is a 'hand out'

Takes a mite degree of perception mind you...... Cheesy

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Reply #222 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:22pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

No, Swagman’s right

....and John Smith's wrong Wink

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Drinks/drinking-43.gif

Impossible .... ask my wife, I'm never wrong. I've already outlined a few benefits for the rich for you Swag, Karnal outlined a few more ... what was wrong?

Why? Due to the fact that the govt takes a huge proportion of the income in tax and returns a smidgeon in rebate from the so called rich. That is just shuffling deck chairs, smoke and mirrors, slight of hand stuff. Not a benefit but a con.

If you want to gauge what society segment benefits the most then simply consider the effect of closing down Centerlink and halting all social security payments. Pensions, FTB, Newstart etc.

Who would that effect the most? Huh

The so-called rich receive nothing from this source.

This alone is evidence that the 'strugglers' of society are the primary beneficiaries of all taxation including those evil regressive taxes.

Therefore the greater the success of the rich the more tax they pay and the greater the benefit received by the 'strugglers'.

Trickle down is not a myth and the GST is not a boogie man... Grin

yes, I know your logic Swag ... if it goes to an unemployed it's a benefit, if it goes to the rich it's not a benefit but a rebate Cheesy

Keep it up! Roll Eyes

You make it sound like I am wrong somehow Smithy? Huh

A 'tax rebate' is a 'hand back' whilst a 'benefit' is a 'hand out'

Takes a mite degree of perception mind you...... Cheesy

So for someone who has paid tax for decades new start allowance is a hand back or a rebate ?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #223 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:28pm Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:22pm: So for someone who has paid tax for decades new start allowance is a hand back or a rebate ....both
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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #224 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 12:04am

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:02pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

Melanias purse wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

No, Swagman’s right

....and John Smith's wrong Wink

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Drinks/drinking-43.gif

Impossible .... ask my wife, I'm never wrong. I've already outlined a few benefits for the rich for you Swag, Karnal outlined a few more ... what was wrong?

Why? Due to the fact that the govt takes a huge proportion of the income in tax and returns a smidgeon in rebate from the so called rich. That is just shuffling deck chairs, smoke and mirrors, slight of hand stuff. Not a benefit but a con.

If you want to gauge what society segment benefits the most then simply consider the effect of closing down Centerlink and halting all social security payments. Pensions, FTB, Newstart etc.

Who would that effect the most? Huh

The so-called rich receive nothing from this source.

Exactly. You’re on fire today, Swagman. "The rich" don’t qualify for the dole.

One thing "the rich" do get is subsidized private schools. This alone costs the budget a few bil.

You are just emphasizing your ignorance.... Cheesy

Private education actually subsidises Govt.

Private education saves the tax-payer around $8.9 billion a year.....

Source

Quote:

Non-government schools represent significant cost savings to governments. Students in non-government schools receive a much lower level of government funding with the main source of income coming from parental and family contributions.

The cost to governments of educating school students would be higher if more students attended a government school. Using Productivity Commission data, ISCA estimates that the total savings in government expenditure from students attending non-government schools was $8.9 billion in 2011-12

Good propaganda from the private schools lobby, comrade.

Those private school parents would never send their kids to state schools. They pay thousands a year to avoid doing so.

It’s the same as the health insurance lobbies telling everyone they take the burden off the public hospital system, when in reality, people on private health insurance are placed in public hospitals all the time.

I get the feeling you’re not "rich", Swagman. I doubt you’re on a high income, and I doubt you don’t pay for all these expensive private services yourself. My hunch is you’re an ordinary cog in the machine like the rest of us.

I could be wrong, of course. Feel free to fill me in.

It beats me why people defend rorts they themselves will never be entitled to, but that’s life, I guess. I’m not entitled to the welfare benefits I defend. According to you, I’m "the rich".

The thing is, I know I’m an accident or a serious illness away from the disability pension and a life on welfare. We all are. I’ve met a few ex-high fliers who are in just this position today.

As Tony Abbott would say, sh!t happens.

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