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Reply #180 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:08pm

Big Donger wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

But get this, we've been discussing "net" income tax figures, which includes reductions for payments like the Family Tax Benefit, etc.

If we were looking at "gross" income tax, the proportion of income tax paid by lower income earners would be significantly higher.

Income tax is only a part of the story.

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Reply #181 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:14pm

Bam wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

But get this, we've been discussing "net" income tax figures, which includes reductions for payments like the Family Tax Benefit, etc.

If we were looking at "gross" income tax, the proportion of income tax paid by lower income earners would be significantly higher.

Income tax is only a part of the story.

Agree. Income tax should be lowered and GST put at 20%.
GST is much harder to avoid and spreads tax across a greater population.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #182 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:48pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

But get this, we've been discussing "net" income tax figures, which includes reductions for payments like the Family Tax Benefit, etc.

If we were looking at "gross" income tax, the proportion of income tax paid by lower income earners would be significantly higher.

Income tax is only a part of the story.

Agree. Income tax should be lowered and GST put at 20%.
GST is much harder to avoid and spreads tax across a greater population.

And you wouldn’t pay either. Imagine anyone here telling you Boers how to live.

STOP THE BOATS.

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Reply #183 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 10:34pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

But get this, we've been discussing "net" income tax figures, which includes reductions for payments like the Family Tax Benefit, etc.

If we were looking at "gross" income tax, the proportion of income tax paid by lower income earners would be significantly higher.

Income tax is only a part of the story.

Agree. Income tax should be lowered and GST put at 20%.
GST is much harder to avoid and spreads tax across a greater population.

GST and other indirect taxes are highly regressive, it's why the well-off like them so much.

Karma - you lose your job to someone from overseas who can do it better for one-tenth the pay.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #184 - Dec 25^th, 2014 at 4:50pm Regressive taxes still benefit the downtrodden the most.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #185 - Dec 25^th, 2014 at 7:54pm Swagman wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 4:50pm: Regressive taxes still benefit the downtrodden the most. Downtrodden? It's great you have found your "niche" but referring to those unfortunates in that context is obscene
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #186 - Dec 25^th, 2014 at 8:07pm Swagman wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 4:50pm: Regressive taxes still benefit the downtrodden the most. rubbish ... they benefit the rich the most, thats why the rich like them so much
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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #187 - Dec 25^th, 2014 at 10:34pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Regressive taxes still benefit the downtrodden the most.

rubbish ... they benefit the rich the most, thats why the rich like them so much Cheesy

The rich get effall from the Govt Jonathon, but the 'downtrodden' live off the Govt.

The more tax revenues from any damned source is an obvious benefit to the 'downtrodden'. Huh

Its time wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Downtrodden? It's great you have found your "niche" but referring to those unfortunates in that context is obscene

That's from the lefty's phrase book SOW, always squarking about being trodden down by the evil capitalists.... Cheesy

Try using some of that wisdom you have supposited up your Kyber pass..... Grin

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #188 - Dec 25^th, 2014 at 11:59pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

The rich get effall from the Govt Jonathon, but the 'downtrodden' live off the Govt.

i guess it's all the downtrodden that benefit from the super co- contribution subsidies? and it's the downtrodden that benefit from the companies they have shares in being subsidised by up to $5B?

you keep telling me how the rich get nothing Swag ... one day someone will believe you, not today, but one day Cheesy

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Reply #189 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Regressive taxes still benefit the downtrodden the most.

rubbish ... they benefit the rich the most, thats why the rich like them so much Cheesy

No, Swagman’s right. The very purpose of taxation is to help those who can’t help themselves. This is why we form societies - to provide mutual benefits we couldn’t possibly achieve on our own.

This isn’t a "leftard" slant, it’s the whole purpose of civilization. Children and old people can’t fend for themselves. They require support.

Likewise, business can’t function without healthy labour, training, licensing regulations, civil courts, a rule of law. Taxes provide funding for all these things.

The tax burden falls on middle income earners because there are more of them. And yes, the big ticket items are welfare, health and education. These benefit low income earners more than anyone else. The rich don’t get Newstart payments and rarely use public hospitals. They can afford private schools. They don’t need subsidized or state housing. They don’t even need to use public transport.

The rich, however, benefit from a safe and stable society. They don’t have to worry about their children being kidnapped or being carjacked at the traffic lights or paying for private security and bodyguards. In countries like Brazil, the Philippines and South Africa, these things are the norm. In Australia, the rich can feel part of society as opposed to bubblewrapped jetsetters.

Our sense of fraternity does set us apart from many hierarchical, deeply entrenched class-based societies, and it’s worth every cent. This is not a leftard argument, it’s deeply conservative. The rich have a duty. Before the rise of neoliberalism, this was called nobless oblige.

Today, we’ve replaced this with taxation, but the moral obligation still exists.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #190 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:28am

Big Donger wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Regressive taxes still benefit the downtrodden the most.

rubbish ... they benefit the rich the most, thats why the rich like them so much Cheesy

No, Swagman’s right. The very purpose of taxation is to help those who can’t help themselves. This is why we form societies - to provide mutual benefits we couldn’t possibly achieve on our own.

This isn’t a "leftard" slant, it’s the whole purpose of civilization. Children and old people can’t fend for themselves. They require support.

Likewise, business can’t function without healthy labour, training, licensing regulations, civil courts, a rule of law. Taxes provide funding for all these things.

The tax burden falls on middle income earners because there are more of them. And yes, the big ticket items are welfare, health and education. These benefit low income earners more than anyone else. The rich don’t get Newstart payments and rarely use public hospitals. They can afford private schools. They don’t need subsidized or state housing. They don’t even need to use public transport.

The rich, however, benefit from a safe and stable society. They don’t have to worry about their children being kidnapped or being carjacked at the traffic lights or paying for private security and bodyguards. In countries like Brazil, the Philippines and South Africa, these things are the norm. In Australia, the rich can feel part of society as opposed to bubblewrapped jetsetters.

Our sense of fraternity does set us apart from many hierarchical, deeply entrenched class-based societies, and it’s worth every cent. This is not a leftard argument, it’s deeply conservative. The rich have a duty. Before the rise of neoliberalism, this was called nobless oblige.

Today, we’ve replaced this with taxation, but the moral obligation still exists.

MUTUAL benefits... your words.

that means EVERYONE should benefit not just the badly-named 'poor'

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #191 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:07am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Regressive taxes still benefit the downtrodden the most.

rubbish ... they benefit the rich the most, thats why the rich like them so much Cheesy

No, Swagman’s right. The very purpose of taxation is to help those who can’t help themselves. This is why we form societies - to provide mutual benefits we couldn’t possibly achieve on our own.

This isn’t a "leftard" slant, it’s the whole purpose of civilization. Children and old people can’t fend for themselves. They require support.

Likewise, business can’t function without healthy labour, training, licensing regulations, civil courts, a rule of law. Taxes provide funding for all these things.

The tax burden falls on middle income earners because there are more of them. And yes, the big ticket items are welfare, health and education. These benefit low income earners more than anyone else. The rich don’t get Newstart payments and rarely use public hospitals. They can afford private schools. They don’t need subsidized or state housing. They don’t even need to use public transport.

The rich, however, benefit from a safe and stable society. They don’t have to worry about their children being kidnapped or being carjacked at the traffic lights or paying for private security and bodyguards. In countries like Brazil, the Philippines and South Africa, these things are the norm. In Australia, the rich can feel part of society as opposed to bubblewrapped jetsetters.

Our sense of fraternity does set us apart from many hierarchical, deeply entrenched class-based societies, and it’s worth every cent. This is not a leftard argument, it’s deeply conservative. The rich have a duty. Before the rise of neoliberalism, this was called nobless oblige.

Today, we’ve replaced this with taxation, but the moral obligation still exists.

MUTUAL benefits... your words.

that means EVERYONE should benefit not just the badly-named 'poor'

maybe you should have kept reading Cheesy

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #192 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:22am Big Donger wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am: No, Swagman’s right.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 23127 ACT Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #193 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:29am Take them when you get them Swaggie, they dont come very often!
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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #194 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:34am

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Regressive taxes still benefit the downtrodden the most.

rubbish ... they benefit the rich the most, thats why the rich like them so much Cheesy

No, Swagman’s right. The very purpose of taxation is to help those who can’t help themselves. This is why we form societies - to provide mutual benefits we couldn’t possibly achieve on our own.

This isn’t a "leftard" slant, it’s the whole purpose of civilization. Children and old people can’t fend for themselves. They require support.

Likewise, business can’t function without healthy labour, training, licensing regulations, civil courts, a rule of law. Taxes provide funding for all these things.

The tax burden falls on middle income earners because there are more of them. And yes, the big ticket items are welfare, health and education. These benefit low income earners more than anyone else. The rich don’t get Newstart payments and rarely use public hospitals. They can afford private schools. They don’t need subsidized or state housing. They don’t even need to use public transport.

The rich, however, benefit from a safe and stable society. They don’t have to worry about their children being kidnapped or being carjacked at the traffic lights or paying for private security and bodyguards. In countries like Brazil, the Philippines and South Africa, these things are the norm. In Australia, the rich can feel part of society as opposed to bubblewrapped jetsetters.

Our sense of fraternity does set us apart from many hierarchical, deeply entrenched class-based societies, and it’s worth every cent. This is not a leftard argument, it’s deeply conservative. The rich have a duty. Before the rise of neoliberalism, this was called nobless oblige.

Today, we’ve replaced this with taxation, but the moral obligation still exists.

MUTUAL benefits... your words.

that means EVERYONE should benefit not just the badly-named 'poor'

maybe you should have kept reading Cheesy

I read quite fine. it is understanding that is so commonly missed on here.

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