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Reply #120 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:05pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:44am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:36am:

ahh, two opinion pieces ... so no real data from the ATO?

Everything is an opinion.

Davidson however cites the ATO Jonathon....

yes, he cherry picked the data that supported his argument and ignored the rest Grin

You are free to refute it with your own cherry picked data... Cheesy

and lefties wonder why so many people don't bother showing links. when you do they still deny it. its pointless.

As sad as it seems...

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #122 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:29pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000?

How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.

Now yes, but the data is 11/12 FY. Tax share of the top 25% has steadilly increased from 60% in 1996 to 67% 11/12 Huh

Wages growth has been stable since 2011/12. The average annual wage in Australia (November, 2013) is $74, 724.

Your figures are wrong.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #123 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000?

How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.

Now yes, but the data is 11/12 FY. Tax share of the top 25% has steadilly increased from 60% in 1996 to 67% 11/12 Huh

Wages growth has been stable since 2011/12. The average annual wage in Australia (November, 2013) is $74, 724.

Your figures are wrong.

My figures are sourced, yours aren't.....

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #124 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000?

How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.

Now yes, but the data is 11/12 FY. Tax share of the top 25% has steadilly increased from 60% in 1996 to 67% 11/12 Huh

Wages growth has been stable since 2011/12. The average annual wage in Australia (November, 2013) is $74, 724.

Your figures are wrong.

My figures are sourced, yours aren't.....

True, but how can all incomes above the average wage only be 25% of income earners?

This isn't statistically possible.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #125 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:26pm

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000?

How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.

Now yes, but the data is 11/12 FY. Tax share of the top 25% has steadilly increased from 60% in 1996 to 67% 11/12 Huh

Wages growth has been stable since 2011/12. The average annual wage in Australia (November, 2013) is $74, 724.

Your figures are wrong.

My figures are sourced, yours aren't.....

True, but how can all incomes above the average wage only be 25% of income earners?

This isn't statistically possible.

thats irrelevant .... he has a source Grin

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #126 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:33pm

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000?

How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.

Now yes, but the data is 11/12 FY. Tax share of the top 25% has steadilly increased from 60% in 1996 to 67% 11/12 Huh

Wages growth has been stable since 2011/12. The average annual wage in Australia (November, 2013) is $74, 724.

Your figures are wrong.

My figures are sourced, yours aren't.....

True, but how can all incomes above the average wage only be 25% of income earners?

This isn't statistically possible.

not buying into the debate without figures but the median and average are two very different measurments.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #127 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:35pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000?

How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.

Now yes, but the data is 11/12 FY. Tax share of the top 25% has steadilly increased from 60% in 1996 to 67% 11/12 Huh

Wages growth has been stable since 2011/12. The average annual wage in Australia (November, 2013) is $74, 724.

Your figures are wrong.

My figures are sourced, yours aren't.....

True, but how can all incomes above the average wage only be 25% of income earners?

This isn't statistically possible.

thats irrelevant .... he has a source Grin

I'd like to see the brakedown. Is it household or employee income? All earnings, or just salaries? PAYE tax or total income? Does it include tax deductions? Is it actual revenue collected, or estimates?

Whatever the case, $75,000 is not a high income. This income doesn't even attract the Medicare levy.

As it stands, what Swagman's figures show is that 67% of income taxes are not collected from high income earners, but average income earners.

And this comes from his source.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #128 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000?

How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.

Now yes, but the data is 11/12 FY. Tax share of the top 25% has steadilly increased from 60% in 1996 to 67% 11/12 Huh

Wages growth has been stable since 2011/12. The average annual wage in Australia (November, 2013) is $74, 724.

Your figures are wrong.

My figures are sourced, yours aren't.....

True, but how can all incomes above the average wage only be 25% of income earners?

This isn't statistically possible.

not buying into the debate without figures but the median and average are two very different measurments.

True, but what stopped you buying into the debate? You were going so well there for a while, Longy.

Swagman has shown us that average income earners pay the lion's share of income tax, which is pretty common knowledge.

The rich do not pay the majority of income taxes. Most pay tax through company tax, using ABNs.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #129 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:45pm

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000?

How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.

Now yes, but the data is 11/12 FY. Tax share of the top 25% has steadilly increased from 60% in 1996 to 67% 11/12 Huh

Wages growth has been stable since 2011/12. The average annual wage in Australia (November, 2013) is $74, 724.

Your figures are wrong.

My figures are sourced, yours aren't.....

True, but how can all incomes above the average wage only be 25% of income earners?

This isn't statistically possible.

thats irrelevant .... he has a source Grin

I'd like to see the brakedown. Is it household or employee income? All earnings, or just salaries? PAYE tax or total income? Does it include tax deductions? Is it actual revenue collected, or estimates?

Whatever the case, $75,000 is not a high income. This income doesn't even attract the Medicare levy.

As it stands, what Swagman's figures show is that 67% of income taxes are not collected from high income earners, but average income earners.

And this comes from his source.

I'm agreeing with you .. swaggies figures are all over the place.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #130 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:51pm

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000?

How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.

Now yes, but the data is 11/12 FY. Tax share of the top 25% has steadilly increased from 60% in 1996 to 67% 11/12 Huh

Wages growth has been stable since 2011/12. The average annual wage in Australia (November, 2013) is $74, 724.

Your figures are wrong.

My figures are sourced, yours aren't.....

True, but how can all incomes above the average wage only be 25% of income earners?

This isn't statistically possible.

thats irrelevant .... he has a source Grin

I'd like to see the brakedown. Is it household or employee income? All earnings, or just salaries? PAYE tax or total income? Does it include tax deductions? Is it actual revenue collected, or estimates?

Whatever the case, $75,000 is not a high income. This income doesn't even attract the Medicare levy.

As it stands, what Swagman's figures show is that 67% of income taxes are not collected from high income earners, but average income earners.

And this comes from his source.

you are starting to sound like George in that you are simply making stuff up. $75K most certainly attracts the medicare levy. in fact it starts at less than half that. if you want to pretend that high income earners don't pay the vast majority of income tax then you are welcome to your delusion. You have already made it quite clear you don't believe even though it has been mentioned multiple times WITH FACTS. and even after anyone with even half a brain and a year 10 maths level could work out that it was rather obviously true. ONe single look at tax scales should make it rather obvious. but not to you.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #131 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:59pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:51pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000?

How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.

Now yes, but the data is 11/12 FY. Tax share of the top 25% has steadilly increased from 60% in 1996 to 67% 11/12 Huh

Wages growth has been stable since 2011/12. The average annual wage in Australia (November, 2013) is $74, 724.

Your figures are wrong.

My figures are sourced, yours aren't.....

True, but how can all incomes above the average wage only be 25% of income earners?

This isn't statistically possible.

thats irrelevant .... he has a source Grin

I'd like to see the brakedown. Is it household or employee income? All earnings, or just salaries? PAYE tax or total income? Does it include tax deductions? Is it actual revenue collected, or estimates?

Whatever the case, $75,000 is not a high income. This income doesn't even attract the Medicare levy.

As it stands, what Swagman's figures show is that 67% of income taxes are not collected from high income earners, but average income earners.

And this comes from his source.

you are starting to sound like George in that you are simply making stuff up. $75K most certainly attracts the medicare levy.

The Medicare Levy surcharge kicks in at $88,000, Longy.

High income earners generally pay company tax, not income tax. If employed professionals, they generally use ABNs, not tax file numbers. The super-wealthy make their money from businesses, not wages.

I'm assuming Swagman's source refers to wages and PAYE (or income) tax. If you want to add company tax to the mix, feel free. Cite a source. Bear in mind, however, this will only ever be an estimate. CEOs and large shareholders are paid through a myriad of channels. Published CEO salaries are only ever estimates. Shareholders and the recipients of trust funds are able to minimize tax through a range of ways. The real rich are not paid incomes, but receive profits.

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ONe single look at tax scales should make it rather obvious

So publish the tax scales.

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #132 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 3:08pm

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:59pm:

The Medicare Levy surcharge kicks in at $88,000, Longy.

the medicare levy , and the medicare levy surcharge are two different things

the first is the medicare levy you are thinking off , the second is the libs trying to force me onto private health insurance ... you only pay it if you don't have private cover.

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Reply #133 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 3:15pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:59pm:

The Medicare Levy surcharge kicks in at $88,000, Longy.

the medicare levy , and the medicare levy surcharge are tow different things

the first is the medicare levy you are thinking off , the second is the libs trying to force me onto private health insurance ... you only pay it if you don't have private cover.

Do lower income earners also pay a levy at tax time?

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Reply #134 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 3:16pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:59pm:

The Medicare Levy surcharge kicks in at $88,000, Longy.

the medicare levy , and the medicare levy surcharge are tow different things

the first is the medicare levy you are thinking off , the second is the libs trying to force me onto private health insurance ... you only pay it if you don't have private cover.

you are correct, I confused the two. You might do to remember that the surcharge has been around for decades.

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