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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #105 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:01am Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:52am: Hint - it's because they earn the most ...which is irrelevant
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #106 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:03am Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:01am: Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:52am: Hint - it's because they earn the most ...which is irrelevant in your mind maybe, but that's the whole basis of our tax system.
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #107 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:06am Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:01am: Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:52am: Hint - it's because they earn the most ...which is irrelevant Specious handwaving is not a refutation.
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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #108 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:29am

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:42am:

I’d like to see an actual source for the top 25% paying 67% of tax. Actual tax.

Can anyone reference this?

Yes see below

This one has it at 63%

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For several years I have been collecting data from the ATO and graphing the share of the net income tax paid by the top 25% on net income tax payers, the middle 50% and the bottom 25%. The latest ATO data came out last week. The graph is below – as can be seen the top 25% of income earners (those taxpayers with an income above $75,650) paid 67.4% of all net income tax in the 2011-12 financial year

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Rocketanski Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1335 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #109 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:35am The more you earn the more tax you pay. That's how it works and that's the same for everybody.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #110 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:36am ahh, two opinion pieces ... so no real data from the ATO?
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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #111 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:42am

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:03am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:01am:

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:52am:

Hint - it's because they earn the most

...which is irrelevant

in your mind maybe, but that's the whole basis of our tax system.

Yes it is.

The tax system redistributes income from those that make it to those that don't.

The more income that those that make it, make, the more redistributed income those that don't make it, get.

Therefore obviously the better it is for the those that make it the better it is for those that don't -> AKA, trickle down theory

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #112 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:44am John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:36am: ahh, two opinion pieces ... so no real data from the ATO? Everything is an opinion. Davidson however cites the ATO Jonathon....
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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #113 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:32am

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:29am:

Big Donger wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:42am:

I’d like to see an actual source for the top 25% paying 67% of tax. Actual tax.

Can anyone reference this?

Yes see below

This one has it at 63%

Source

http://www.brw.com.au/r/2009-2014/BRW/2013/09/30/Photos/16e94924-296b-11e3-a0ab-...

Here's another

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For several years I have been collecting data from the ATO and graphing the share of the net income tax paid by the top 25% on net income tax payers, the middle 50% and the bottom 25%. The latest ATO data came out last week. The graph is below – as can be seen the top 25% of income earners (those taxpayers with an income above $75,650) paid 67.4% of all net income tax in the 2011-12 financial year

http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2014/05/Net-tax-share-2014.jpg

Thanks, Swagman. Great maths. You've proved your point.

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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101713	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #114 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:33am Hang on - the top 25% are those with incomes over $75,000? How could that possibly be right? That's almost the average wage.
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #115 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 11:07am Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:44am: John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:36am: ahh, two opinion pieces ... so no real data from the ATO? Everything is an opinion. Davidson however cites the ATO Jonathon.... Selective citation.
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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #116 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 11:13am

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 11:07am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:44am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:36am:

ahh, two opinion pieces ... so no real data from the ATO?

Everything is an opinion.

Davidson however cites the ATO Jonathon....

Selective citation.

irrefutable facts seem to disturb you when they are not to your liking.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #117 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:05pm Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:44am: John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:36am: ahh, two opinion pieces ... so no real data from the ATO? Everything is an opinion. Davidson however cites the ATO Jonathon.... yes, he cherry picked the data that supported his argument and ignored the rest
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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #118 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:16pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:05pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:44am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:36am:

ahh, two opinion pieces ... so no real data from the ATO?

Everything is an opinion.

Davidson however cites the ATO Jonathon....

yes, he cherry picked the data that supported his argument and ignored the rest Grin

You are free to refute it with your own cherry picked data... Cheesy

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Re: Prepare to be educated righties
Reply #119 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:21pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:05pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:44am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:36am:

ahh, two opinion pieces ... so no real data from the ATO?

Everything is an opinion.

Davidson however cites the ATO Jonathon....

yes, he cherry picked the data that supported his argument and ignored the rest Grin

You are free to refute it with your own cherry picked data... Cheesy

and lefties wonder why so many people don't bother showing links. when you do they still deny it. its pointless.

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