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Reply #15 - Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:24pm

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who).

So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine?

It wasn't Palestine when he lived there.

When the Romans came to dominate the area, they used the name Palestine. Thus, when Yehoshu'a [Jesus] was born, he was born a Palestinian as were all of the inhabitants of the region, Jews and non-Jews. He was also a Nazarene (being born in Nazareth) and a Galilean (born in the region of Galilee)… At the time of Yehoshu'a's birth, Palestine was inhabited by Jews-descendants of Hebrews, Canaanites, and many other Semitic peoples-and also by Phoenicians, Syrians, Greeks, and even Arabs.

I'm sorry to prove you wrong but that area was named Judea for a few thousand years. Yes, land of the Jews.

Dont jews have enough land already?

There are only 3 -4 million jews in israel but they want a greater Israel similar to the size of australia?

wally1,

Don't the moslems in the Middle East have enough land already?

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Why haven't supposedly 'hospitable' moslems, in moslem nations surrounding Israel, absorbed the identified 'Palestinian' refugees, into their own communities ???

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Most of those stateless people [at the conclusion of WWII, and as a consequence of WWII] were absorbed into surrounding nations - in Europe.

Isn't it obvious, that the 'Palestinian' refugee problem, is a contrived problem, and a convenient political 'stick', with which moslems can beat Israel with, upon the world stage of public opinion?

And that is the reason why the problem of 'Palestinian' refugees will never be solved, because it isn't in the political interests of Israel's enemies [ISLAMISTS] to solve the 'Palestinian' refugee 'problem'.i

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Reply #16 - Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who).

So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine?

It wasn't Palestine when he lived there.

When the Romans came to dominate the area, they used the name Palestine. Thus, when Yehoshu'a [Jesus] was born, he was born a Palestinian as were all of the inhabitants of the region, Jews and non-Jews. He was also a Nazarene (being born in Nazareth) and a Galilean (born in the region of Galilee)… At the time of Yehoshu'a's birth, Palestine was inhabited by Jews-descendants of Hebrews, Canaanites, and many other Semitic peoples-and also by Phoenicians, Syrians, Greeks, and even Arabs.

But now the Arabs want it all.

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Reply #17 - Dec 17^th, 2014 at 9:17pm

Soren wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

But now the Arabs want it all.

Well, the Arabs had it all, until the West decided, out of guilt over what happened to the Jews in The Holocaust, that they had to take some of the Palestinians' land and hand it over to some people who had never lived there and who's ancestors had left the place about 2,000 years previously.

If people want to play the "the Jews owned it first" card, then perhaps they should take their demand for it's return to the people who kicked them out - the Romans. Now, that will be interesting, won't it? Roll Eyes

Personally, I believe the horse has well and truly bolted. It is impossible to turn the clock back 2,000 years any more than it is to turn it back to 1948. Israel exists today and that cannot be undone. However, modern Israel was established as part of a "two state solution" - the partition of the UN Mandate by the UK, as part of Resolution 181. The borders established under that Resolution are the only true and legal ones for the State of Israel which are recognised by the UN and the rest of the world.

Israel should withdraw all its colonists from the Occupied Territories and those Territories should be returned to UN administration as part of a transition to the creation of a modern Palestinian State. The Israeli attempt annex ever more territory by stealth and outright aggression should be condemned and stopped. The West went to war against Iraq because Saddam Hussein's illegal annexation of Kuwait. The same threat should be used against Israel to force it to comply.

There will be no peace in the Middle East as long as the running sore of the Palestinian Question is allowed to fester. Israel is the problem now, not the Palestinians. Israel does not negotiate in good faith and it does not abide by international decisions. Roll Eyes

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Reply #18 - Dec 18^th, 2014 at 12:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 9:17pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

But now the Arabs want it all.

Well, the Arabs had it all, until the West decided, out of guilt over what happened to the Jews in The Holocaust, that they had to take some of the Palestinians' land and hand it over to some people who had never lived there and who's ancestors had left the place about 2,000 years previously.

If people want to play the "the Jews owned it first" card, then perhaps they should take their demand for it's return to the people who kicked them out - the Romans. Now, that will be interesting, won't it? Roll Eyes

Personally, I believe the horse has well and truly bolted. It is impossible to turn the clock back 2,000 years any more than it is to turn it back to 1948. Israel exists today and that cannot be undone. However, modern Israel was established as part of a "two state solution" - the partition of the UN Mandate by the UK, as part of Resolution 181. The borders established under that Resolution are the only true and legal ones for the State of Israel which are recognised by the UN and the rest of the world.

But not the Arabs who attacked israel repeatedly and who....er.... were the occupier of the occupied territories until they lost them to Israel as a consequence of losing a war against it once again in 1967.

When there is a pan-Arab recognition of Israel and a guarantee of no more attack on it, then thyere can be a meaningful discussion of establishing two states. But while thye Arabs believe in the one state (non-Jewish) solution only, Israel would be mad to give up the little buffer it has.
Had the Arabs accepted the borders of 1948, which the Jews did, there would have been peace ever since.

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Reply #19 - Dec 18^th, 2014 at 7:36pm

Soren wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 12:53pm:

But not the Arabs who attacked israel repeatedly and who....er.... were the occupier of the occupied territories until they lost them to Israel as a consequence of losing a war against it once again in 1967.

So? Today, the "arabs" have relinquished all claims to the Occupied Territories in order to allow the PA to become Palestine. The only fly in the ointment now is Israel which refuses to discuss the two state solution and instead attempts annexation by stealth.

Present Bush in 1990 declared that "aggressors should not be rewarded for their aggression" in the case of Iraq in Kuwait. Yet, at the same time he was quite prepared to stand by and watch Israel slowly annex the Occupied Territories.

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When there is a pan-Arab recognition of Israel and a guarantee of no more attack on it, then thyere can be a meaningful discussion of establishing two states. But while thye Arabs believe in the one state (non-Jewish) solution only, Israel would be mad to give up the little buffer it has.

Two, out of the five frontline states have accepted the existence of the State of Israel and signed peace treaties with Israel. Of the other two, Israel has and continues to have a hand in destroying them. The 1982 invasion of Lebanon effectively destroyed the Lebanese government. The recent report into Israel fraternisation with the rebel groups in Syria shows it is up to the same tricks. Effectively, it has created the present situation with Lebanon and Syria.

The last one, Saudi Arabia is big on rhetoric but has taken little effective action against Israel for the last 60 years.

Other Arab nations don't really matter, Soren.

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Had the Arabs accepted the borders of 1948, which the Jews did, there would have been peace ever since.

Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren. They did not accept the 1947 borders. They have never accepted them. Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:08am

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.

And who started that war??

Please explain, Brain.

I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them?

That does not negate the fact that the Israelis expanded beyond the UN Mandated borders, Soren, in 1948, upon the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Didn't your mother ever teach you that lesson? Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 11:50am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.

And who started that war??

Please explain, Brain.

I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them?

The Arabs overrun the Eastern Roman Empire, Iran, Hindu Kush, North West India? Did they ask the people in those lands if they wanted a Muslim Arab rule imposed on them? No.

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That does not negate the fact that the Israelis expanded beyond the UN Mandated borders, Soren, in 1948, upon the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Didn't your mother ever teach you that lesson? Roll Eyes

The West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Before that the whole lot, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, was occupied by Britain and France. Before that, by the Ottomans. The Ottoman Empire disappeared and so the British and the French created the successor countries on the map, with UN approval.

With UN approval, Brain. The Jews accepted it. The Arabs of Jordan, Syria, Egypt - parts or vassals of the Ottomans until they all went into a British or French protectorate - didn't.
They accepted the creation of NEW, never before existing Arab countries - Syria, Jordan, Lebanon - but not Israel, a tiny, tiny sliver by comparison.

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Reply #24 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 12:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.

And who started that war??

Please explain, Brain.

I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them?

That does not negate the fact that the Israelis expanded beyond the UN Mandated borders, Soren, in 1948, upon the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Didn't your mother ever teach you that lesson? Roll Eyes

Two stools make a stollen - the best lesson Mormor ever taught the old boy.

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Reply #25 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 12:47pm

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.

And who started that war??

Please explain, Brain.

I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them?

The Arabs overrun the Eastern Roman Empire, Iran, Hindu Kush, North West India? Did they ask the people in those lands if they wanted a Muslim Arab rule imposed on them? No.

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That does not negate the fact that the Israelis expanded beyond the UN Mandated borders, Soren, in 1948, upon the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Didn't your mother ever teach you that lesson? Roll Eyes

The West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Before that the whole lot, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, was occupied by Britain and France. Before that, by the Ottomans. The Ottoman Empire disappeared and so the British and the French created the successor countries on the map, with UN approval.

With UN approval, Brain. The Jews accepted it. The Arabs of Jordan, Syria, Egypt - parts or vassals of the Ottomans until they all went into a British or French protectorate - didn't.
They accepted the creation of NEW, never before existing Arab countries - Syria, Jordan, Lebanon - but not Israel, a tiny, tiny sliver by comparison.

And to this day aint it grand how they shove it right up the whinging musseys arseholes.

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Reply #26 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:53pm

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1418766631/19#19 date=1418895393]
Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.

And who started that war??

Please explain, Brain.

I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them?

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in the 2nd century BCE the Judaeans revolted against the Hellenist Seleucid Empire and created the Hasmonean kingdom. This, the last nominally independent Judean kingdom, came to an end in 63 BCE with its conquest by Pompey of Rome.

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Did the Judeans ask the Canaanites or the other tribes of the region whether they could impose their rule on them?

That of course came through the right of conquest. The UN was supposedly intended to provide collective security for the region yet the General Assembly, before passing Resolution 181 did not ask the Arab inhabitants before imposing a foreign nation on them, whether they agreed to it. Hardly democratic, hardly a decision reached through consensus, now was it? More like Western guilt than anything else.

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The Arabs overrun the Eastern Roman Empire, Iran, Hindu Kush, North West India? Did they ask the people in those lands if they wanted a Muslim Arab rule imposed on them? No.

Different times, different attitudes, Soren. Stop comparing apples and oranges. Roll Eyes

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That does not negate the fact that the Israelis expanded beyond the UN Mandated borders, Soren, in 1948, upon the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Didn't your mother ever teach you that lesson? Roll Eyes

The West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Before that the whole lot, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, was occupied by Britain and France. Before that, by the Ottomans. The Ottoman Empire disappeared and so the British and the French created the successor countries on the map, with UN approval.

With UN approval, Brain. The Jews accepted it. The Arabs of Jordan, Syria, Egypt - parts or vassals of the Ottomans until they all went into a British or French protectorate - didn't.
They accepted the creation of NEW, never before existing Arab countries - Syria, Jordan, Lebanon - but not Israel, a tiny, tiny sliver by comparison.

How can you claim the Jews accepted the UN borders when they immediately expanded beyond them as the historical record shows. Appears to me you don't know the history nor understand it, Soren or the morality and international law involved.

If Israel has profited from it's conquests, why should it be treated any differently to Iraq in 1990? Why hasn't the UN moved to intervene? Still the remnants of that Western Guilt? Roll Eyes

As I've said, the decision to create Israel cannot be undone. However, the decision to expand Israel illegally can be stopped. Or don't the Palestinians have any rights in your view? Of course not, they're Muslim (although, not all are). Roll Eyes

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Reply #27 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 2:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1418766631/19#19 date=1418895393]
Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.

And who started that war??

Please explain, Brain.

I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them?

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in the 2nd century BCE the Judaeans revolted against the Hellenist Seleucid Empire and created the Hasmonean kingdom. This, the last nominally independent Judean kingdom, came to an end in 63 BCE with its conquest by Pompey of Rome.

[Source]

Did the Judeans ask the Canaanites or the other tribes of the region whether they could impose their rule on them?

That of course came through the right of conquest. The UN was supposedly intended to provide collective security for the region yet the General Assembly, before passing Resolution 181 did not ask the Arab inhabitants before imposing a foreign nation on them, whether they agreed to it. Hardly democratic, hardly a decision reached through consensus, now was it? More like Western guilt than anything else.

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The Arabs overrun the Eastern Roman Empire, Iran, Hindu Kush, North West India? Did they ask the people in those lands if they wanted a Muslim Arab rule imposed on them? No.

Different times, different attitudes, Soren. Stop comparing apples and oranges. Roll Eyes

So why do you come up with the Canaanites, looney?

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Reply #28 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 2:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

How can you claim the Jews accepted the UN borders when they immediately expanded beyond them as the historical record shows.

You are a very dishonest man, Brain. How did they expand? They attacked anyone? No. The historical record shows that the Jews were attacked immediately in 1948. Note, Brain - the Jews did not attack Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon. No. The Arabs attacked the Jews. Then in 1967, the Arabs attacked the Jews again and the lost the West Bank and Gaza, which were occupied by Jordan and Egypt until then. They were Occupied Territories by Jordan and Egypt, not part of Jordan and Egypt (this is why Jewish settlements are not illegal).Then in 1973, the Arabs again attacked Israel and lost the Sinai and the Golan Heights.

Arab aggression. They should have accepted the 1948 borders and everyone would have lived in peace ever since.

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Reply #29 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 3:20pm

The Israelis expanded Israel in 1948, Soren.

You going to deny the evidence of that map? Roll Eyes

The Israelis did not accept the 1948 borders, Soren so why do you believe the Arabs should have?

If Israel had withdrawn to the 1948 borders after the 1948 war, the Arabs would have more than likely accepted that status quo.

BTW, Israel attacked first in 1967. Roll Eyes

It is very obvious you don't know the history of the Arab-Israeli dispute, very obvious, Soren. You're letting your Islamophobia (as usual) do your talking for you. Roll Eyes

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