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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61068 Here Gender:	Re: You can support women or Islam, not both Reply #30 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 3:23pm Quote: You can support women or Islam, not both I rather think that I will make that decision for myself - thanks anyway.
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Reply #31 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 3:39pm

Soren wrote on Dec 7^th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Christianity has influenced the Australian Marriage Act, declaring that marriage can only occur between a man and a woman for some unfathomable reason.

Karnal and you are a match made in Darlighurst.

To pretend, as you do, that marriage is 'unfathomably' between a man and a woman is to sign away any claim to sanity that would have had until that little declaration.

You are both for Islam and same sex marriage. That's how dishonest you are.

You're so dishonest, you pretend I'm for gay marriage, when I've been saying how silly I think it is for years.

Where's Darlighurst, old boy? Back in the old country, eh?

I bet they're famous for their stool.

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Reply #32 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 4:51pm

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Lord Mayor walks out of Islamic charity lunch after his lady consort was told she had to sit downstairs at the event

Lord Mayor John Thomas was said to be upset at being segregated
He walked out of the Islamic charity lunch before it had even started
A source said he had 'insulted' other guests by walking out early
Lunch was to mark the end of charity week, in which £730k was raised
Councillor Thomas has been on the Leicester City Council since 1995

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2862914/Lord-Mayor-walks-Islamic-charity...

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Reply #33 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 6:07pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

Why can't women choose to follow Islam? I've always understood that the point of feminism was to ensure women were able to choose. Why must you Soren deny them that choice? Surely that is paternalism as bad as anything in Islam? Grin

They can and do, thereby accept their own inferiority to men.

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Reply #34 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:01pm

Soren wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

Why can't women choose to follow Islam? I've always understood that the point of feminism was to ensure women were able to choose. Why must you Soren deny them that choice? Surely that is paternalism as bad as anything in Islam? Grin

They can and do, thereby accept their own inferiority to men.

Oh, bollocks.

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Reply #35 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

Why can't women choose to follow Islam? I've always understood that the point of feminism was to ensure women were able to choose. Why must you Soren deny them that choice? Surely that is paternalism as bad as anything in Islam? Grin

They can and do, thereby accept their own inferiority to men.

Oh, bollocks.

It's true Annie. I have seen it with my own eyes. 40 degree heat, and Muslim lady getting round in a black letterbox outfit while her husband wears shorts and a T shirt.

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Reply #36 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:29pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

Why can't women choose to follow Islam? I've always understood that the point of feminism was to ensure women were able to choose. Why must you Soren deny them that choice? Surely that is paternalism as bad as anything in Islam? Grin

They can and do, thereby accept their own inferiority to men.

Oh, bollocks.

It's true Annie. I have seen it with my own eyes. 40 degree heat, and Muslim lady getting round in a black letterbox outfit while her husband wears shorts and a T shirt.

How does that make her inferior?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52048 At my desk.	Re: You can support women or Islam, not both Reply #37 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:35pm She's not the one wearing the pants is she? If I did that to my dog, I would probably get arrested.
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Reply #38 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:47pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

She's not the one wearing the pants is she?

Unless you've taken a peek up her burqa, it's impossible to tell. They wear regular clothes underneath you know.

Degradation and abuse of women are entrenched in most religions - particularly the big 3. However, there are plenty of Muslim feminists who find Islam liberating and the covering aspect empowering. There are others still who believe in the religion but don't believe in covering. Muslim feminist is not an oxymoron.

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If I did that to my dog, I would probably get arrested.

Did what? Are you making an assumption that a particular woman has no more agency than a dog based purely on what she's wearing?

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Reply #39 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:54pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Did what? Are you making an assumption that a particular woman has no more agency than a dog based purely on what she's wearing?

I think he's assuming she has no agency because she's a muslim. And that the man is a misogynistic prick because he's a muslim - and would naturally therefore make his wife suffer.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #40 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 8:31pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

Why can't women choose to follow Islam? I've always understood that the point of feminism was to ensure women were able to choose. Why must you Soren deny them that choice? Surely that is paternalism as bad as anything in Islam? Grin

They can and do, thereby accept their own inferiority to men.

Oh, bollocks.

It's true Annie. I have seen it with my own eyes. 40 degree heat, and Muslim lady getting round in a black letterbox outfit while her husband wears shorts and a T shirt.

Yes, FD, but she’s only doing it to offend decent white people.

I do feel that no one has the right to not be offended, you know.

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Reply #41 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 8:35pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

She's not the one wearing the pants is she?

Unless you've taken a peek up her burqa, it's impossible to tell. They wear regular clothes underneath you know.

Degradation and abuse of women are entrenched in most religions - particularly the big 3. However, there are plenty of Muslim feminists who find Islam liberating and the covering aspect empowering. There are others still who believe in the religion but don't believe in covering. Muslim feminist is not an oxymoron.

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If I did that to my dog, I would probably get arrested.

Did what? Are you making an assumption that a particular woman has no more agency than a dog based purely on what she's wearing?

Dogs and uncovered meat. Not that FD wants to offend awful tinted people and their Freeeedom.

That’s haram.

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Reply #42 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 8:54pm

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Unless you've taken a peek up her burqa, it's impossible to tell. They wear regular clothes underneath you know.

Sounds pleasant. There's nothing I enjoy more than wearing a tent in addition to regular clothes in 40 degree heat.

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Degradation and abuse of women are entrenched in most religions - particularly the big 3. However, there are plenty of Muslim feminists who find Islam liberating and the covering aspect empowering.

That would be a struggle in our weather. Making a statement with your clothes is one thing. Torturing yourself with them is another.

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Muslim feminist is not an oxymoron.

Have you ever met one? Perhaps Gandalf is one. I know he is opposed to executing gays.

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Did what? Are you making an assumption that a particular woman has no more agency than a dog based purely on what she's wearing?

I am saying you was in a position of inferiority. It is because of her agency that the husband did not get arrested. If he had a dog and a woman in a burqa side by side in that heat, he would get arrested for mistreating the dog, and you would celebrate the woman as a Muslim feminist.

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Reply #43 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 10:40pm

Soren wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

Why can't women choose to follow Islam? I've always understood that the point of feminism was to ensure women were able to choose. Why must you Soren deny them that choice? Surely that is paternalism as bad as anything in Islam? Grin

They can and do, thereby accept their own inferiority to men.

And how is this different to the position of women within Christianity, Soren?

Afterall, women are definitely "inferior" to men in that religion. Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #44 - Dec 9^th, 2014 at 4:51pm

Soren wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

Why can't women choose to follow Islam? I've always understood that the point of feminism was to ensure women were able to choose. Why must you Soren deny them that choice? Surely that is paternalism as bad as anything in Islam? Grin

They can and do, thereby accept their own inferiority to men.

It is their choice. Who are you to criticize it? You know nothing of their circumstances or their beliefs. How is this different to any Orthodox Jewish woman who accepts her position of inferiority to men? No criticism of that, from you. Just your usual islamophobic ranting. Grin

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