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Nov 9^th, 2014 at 7:49pm

So

talking about the way we have ignored some huge natural resources.. here on this continent. !!
What is even better about them is that they are imports !!
Why is this I wonder.??

Because they don't get dug of the ground... by big business? So govt can make big bikkies..?
OK I am talking CAMELS .. primarily.. but also there is no reason to ignore feral pigs and Buffalo

I have raised this opportunity before on this forum some time ago...

WE MUST utilise heretofore (

) unacknowlegded resources... not the stuff of the earth but the cream///

Saw an interesting show about camel milk, and its benefits.. not to mention the Camel Cult in Arabia... WHY the F? aren't we benefiting from this rich trade.. whilst controlling feral creatures on the land.

The program covered a bit of interesting information.. about the benefits of Camels milk...

worth $$ per ltre ..
not to mention the value of our disease free wild stock.. the best camels in the world.
(DO you Know why we have camels..??)

and the spokesperson pointed out , quite correctly imo.. the stupidity of the Aus govt for failing to recognise these major benefits.

TOTALLY AGREE .. it was on 7 Sunday night..

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Reply #1 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:08pm

I always wondered how it was possible for the Bedouin and related tribes to survive as they did in such harsh conditions, in the deserts of the Middle East. Always always wondered how it was possible..

I think it may have been Lawrence of Arabia.. both the man and the movie..in that order, - that first made me wonder ...

Now it becomes clear.. or clearer.. at least. No amount of trade could really explain it..

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Stupid short-sighted ignorant Reply #2 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:13pm Im pretty sure we export camels and water buffalos so whats the issue?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 42303 Gender:	Re: Stupid short-sighted ignorant Reply #3 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:13pm There may be a few more things involved there Emma. The population density in 'surviving in a desert' might be different to the economics of 'producing camel milk.' But if the experts have it wrong, you are entirely free to buy camels, graze and milk them.
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Reply #4 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:33pm

spare me sprinter..that is so simplistic a reply..

Ian..?? the scale is the issue. Making the most of these pests is the point. Obviously we do not do anything LIKE we could, in the way of economic inflows. Is that clear?
We MUST do more, rather than cull them. Watch the program... it was very interesting.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

There may be a few more things involved there Emma.

The population density in 'surviving in a desert' might be different to the economics of 'producing camel milk.'But if the experts have it wrong, you are entirely free to buy camels, graze and milk them.

Gawd talk about misdirection... I suggested that camels milk may well be very worthy of our consideration on economic and export basis, and you talk about pops living in a desert.? WE DONT YET
entirely live in desert... because we all live on the coastal fringe .. mostly/ so what about it.?? TOO HARD?? for a city/surfer/ocean guy??

LOOK at it before you pan it Sprinter.

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Reply #5 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:39pm

ian wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Im pretty sure we export camels and water buffalos so whats the issue?

You are pretty sure that..?

Well it would be interesting to hear from someone who has some knowledge of the subject..

I am commenting on what appears to be WASTE of resources.

Hmmm I suspect they don't post on this forum.

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Reply #6 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:13pm

Emma wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

ian wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Im pretty sure we export camels and water buffalos so whats the issue?

You are pretty sure that..?

Well it would be interesting to hear from someone who has some knowledge of the subject..

I am commenting on what appears to be WASTE of resources.

Hmmm I suspect they don't post on this forum.

Camels have been milked for many a year. Why camel milk is not a commercial thing other than a boutique business is due to yield.

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Reply #7 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:23pm

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat worthwhile .

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Reply #8 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:36pm

miketrees wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat worthwhile .

Not talking about Camel MEAT., Huh

Miketrees. ?

A dairy does not produce MEAT.( not primarily)
Huh?

No I'm not talking about camel MEAT. MEAT = DEAD.

Camel MILK = sustainable on-going yield.

Do YOU UNDERSTAND.??

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Reply #9 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:07pm

Emma wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:36pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat worthwhile .

Not talking about Camel MEAT., Huh

Miketrees. ?

A dairy does not produce MEAT.( not primarily)
Huh?

No I'm not talking about camel MEAT. MEAT = DEAD.

Camel MILK = sustainable on-going yield.

Do YOU UNDERSTAND.??

Harvest catch or kill (animals) for human consumption.

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Reply #10 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:12pm

miketrees wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat worthwhile .

I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna!

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Reply #11 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:17pm

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat worthwhile .

I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna!

I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences.

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Reply #12 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:38pm

Datalife wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:17pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat worthwhile .

I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna!

I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences.

Having said that I have had a think. If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer. Meanwhile there are business which use camels. Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem.

Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback.

Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that, have not driven other large species into extinction. Cool

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Reply #13 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:56pm

Datalife wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

Datalife wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:17pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat worthwhile .

I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna!

I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences.

Having said that I have had a think. If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer. Meanwhile there are business which use camels. Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem.

Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback.

Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that, have not driven other large species into extinction. Cool

Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty!

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Reply #14 - Nov 10^th, 2014 at 12:01am

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:56pm:

Datalife wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

Datalife wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:17pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat worthwhile .

I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna!

I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences.

Having said that I have had a think. If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer. Meanwhile there are business which use camels. Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem.

Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback.

Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that, have not driven other large species into extinction. Cool

Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty!

Not picking on aboriginals bozo, identifying one of the few commercial enterprises that they can engage in that actually pays money and is not sucking at the tax payers teat.

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