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Reply #15 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:18am  
Datalife wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:01am:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:56pm:
Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:38pm:
Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:17pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:12pm:
miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm:
There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile .



I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna!


I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences.


Having said that I have had a think.  If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer.  Meanwhile there are business which use camels.  Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem.

Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback. 

Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that,  have not driven other large species into extinction.  Cool



Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty!


Not picking on aboriginals bozo, identifying one of the few commercial enterprises that they can engage in that actually pays money and is not sucking at the tax payers teat.



Change your reused Tampax before writing to me sunshine, or I'll eat you for breakfast!
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Re: Stupid short-sighted ignorant
Reply #16 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:24am  
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:18am:
Datalife wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:01am:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:56pm:
Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:38pm:
Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:17pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:12pm:
miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm:
There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile .



I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna!


I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences.


Having said that I have had a think.  If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer.  Meanwhile there are business which use camels.  Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem.

Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback. 

Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that,  have not driven other large species into extinction.  Cool



Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty!


Not picking on aboriginals bozo, identifying one of the few commercial enterprises that they can engage in that actually pays money and is not sucking at the tax payers teat.



Change your reused Tampax before writing to me sunshine, or I'll eat you for breakfast!


Yet my point still stands and you have no counter apart from an idiotic riposte.  I think an operation that makes the camel extinct and benefits aboriginal communities who have limited commercial oppurtunity is a win win. 

Meanwhile your can chew on tampax for breakfast cos if you ain't part of a solution it is all you are good for.  Bozo.  Cool
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Reply #17 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:40am  
Datalife wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:24am:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:18am:
Datalife wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:01am:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:56pm:
Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:38pm:
Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:17pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:12pm:
miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm:
There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile .



I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna!


I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences.


Having said that I have had a think.  If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer.  Meanwhile there are business which use camels.  Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem.

Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback. 

Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that,  have not driven other large species into extinction.  Cool



Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty!


Not picking on aboriginals bozo, identifying one of the few commercial enterprises that they can engage in that actually pays money and is not sucking at the tax payers teat.



Change your reused Tampax before writing to me sunshine, or I'll eat you for breakfast!


Yet my point still stands and you have no counter apart from an idiotic riposte.  I think an operation that makes the camel extinct and benefits aboriginal communities who have limited commercial oppurtunity is a win win. 

Meanwhile your can chew on tampax for breakfast cos if you ain't part of a solution it is all you are good for.  Bozo.  Cool


Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty!

Some may have thought the possibility of making some money may extend past aboriginals!

I can understand having syphilis drip down your leg all day might not be fun, unfortunately syphilis also affects the brain so help is advised as soon as possible is advised!
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Reply #18 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:52am  
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:40am:
Some may have thought the possibility of making some money may extend past aboriginals!

I can understand having syphilis drip down your leg all day might not be fun, unfortunately syphilis also affects the brain so help is advised as soon as possible is advised!


All good, if 16 year olds have enough gumption to go out and earn a living out in the communities ( Google natural advantage dickhead) shooting camels all power to them.  The community will still benefit. 

As for the rest of your post I will let it stand in testimony to your debating strengths.  Bozo.   Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #19 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:58am  
Datalife wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:52am:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:40am:
Some may have thought the possibility of making some money may extend past aboriginals!

I can understand having syphilis drip down your leg all day might not be fun, unfortunately syphilis also affects the brain so help is advised as soon as possible is advised!


All good, if 16 year olds have enough gumption to go out and earn a living out in the communities ( Google natural advantage dickhead) shooting camels all power to them.  The community will still benefit. 

As for the rest of your post I will let it stand in testimony to your debating strengths.  Bozo.   Cheesy Cheesy


Surely the smell of your syphilitic drip must be sending you a message, but no the brain damage is done!
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Reply #20 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 7:41am  
Camel dairy has a very limited demand, and will make very little use of the feral population.
Camels have to be domesticated and trained to give milk.

Yes trained they will give you nothing unless trained.
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Reply #21 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 10:32am  
From what I read in our paper yesterday, they give very little milk, compared to dairy cows, which is why the milk is expensive. The costs would be about the same.

Then of course at that price, $25per litre, you have to have a dedicated market. The size of your market has to determine the size of your investment.

One camel for a Bedouin family to milk is ok. They generally don't have refrigeration, Weetbix etc. So their consumption would generally be much less than Western society.
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Reply #22 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:35am  
Emma wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
ian wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:13pm:
Im  pretty sure we export camels and water buffalos so whats the issue?



You are pretty sure that..? 

Well it would be interesting to hear from someone who has some knowledge of the subject.. 

I am commenting on what appears to be WASTE of resources.

Hmmm I suspect they don't post on this forum.


OK, then try this link.
http://www.australian-information-stories.com/camels-in-australia.html

"Australian Camels are now exported live to Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and other countries where disease free Camels are considered a delicacy.

Australian Camels are also exported to Arab Camel racing stables as breeding stock.

The United States also impots them to use in tourist venues.

There are over 40 Farms providing rides and Safari Treks operating in Australia now.

Australia is home to the only wild herds of Dromedary Camels in the world"

- See more at: http://www.australian-information-stories.com/camels-in-australia.html#sthash.jjk2ASJj.dpuf

As for the Buffalo:
"During the 1950s, buffalo were hunted for their skins and meat, which was exported and used in the local trade. In the late 1970s, live exports were made to Cuba and continued later into other countries. Buffalo are now crossed with riverine buffalo in artificial breeding (AI) programs, and may be found in many areas of Australia. Some of these crossbreds are used for milk production. Melville Island is a popular hunting location, where a steady population of up to 4,000 individuals exist. Safari outfits are run out of Darwin to Melville Island and other locations in the Top End, often with the use of bush pilots. The horns, which can measure up to a record of 3.1 m (10 ft) tip-to-tip, are prized hunting trophies.[30]

The buffalo have developed a different appearance from the Indonesian buffalo from which they descend.[citation needed] They live mainly in freshwater marshes and billabongs, and their territory range can be quite expansive during the wet season. Their only natural predators in Australia are large adult saltwater crocodiles, with whom they share the billabongs, and dingoes, which have been known to prey on buffalo calves and occasionally adult buffalos when the dingoes are in large packs.[citation needed]

Buffalos were exported live to Indonesia until 2011, at a rate of about 3000 per year. After the live export ban that year, the exports dropped to zero, and had not resumed as of June 2013.[31]"

If you want to blame someone for the ban on buffalo export...see the Greens/Animal rights activists....
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Reply #23 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:26pm  
Central Australian Camel Industry Association Inc (CACIA).
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Reply #24 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 7:33pm  
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Central Australian Camel Industry Association Inc (CACIA).


And your point??
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Reply #25 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:08pm  
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 7:33pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Central Australian Camel Industry Association Inc (CACIA).


And your point??


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Reply #26 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:25pm  
well it seems this (CACIA) is failing bigtime to take advantage of what is elsewhere, and could become here in Australia a very lucrative business...  for several reasons..
it seems from anecdotal information that there are very BIG health benefits to do with consuming Camel MILK.

For many members of our society. The current price internationally is to do with supply and demand.  Get it..?

Anyone with a bit of nouse and entrepreneurial drive,  and the money and time,  could create an on-going hugely profitable industry out of this.  Why not??  we breed and milk cows, goats, sheep, ..  why NOT..?  when their output has so much VALUE.??

culling Camels for meat is a waste..

and lets get back on track... the benefits of such an industry here are multitude.

Got the brains?? work it out. 

I am just sorry I'm too old and poor to take it up as an enterprise.  Smiley
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Reply #27 - Nov 11th, 2014 at 12:24am  
Emma wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:25pm:
well it seems this (CACIA) is failing bigtime to take advantage of what is elsewhere, and could become here in Australia a very lucrative business...  for several reasons..
it seems from anecdotal information that there are very BIG health benefits to do with consuming Camel MILK.

For many members of our society. The current price internationally is to do with supply and demand.  Get it..?

Anyone with a bit of nouse and entrepreneurial drive,  and the money and time,  could create an on-going hugely profitable industry out of this.  Why not??  we breed and milk cows, goats, sheep, ..  why NOT..?  when their output has so much VALUE.??

culling Camels for meat is a waste..

and lets get back on track... the benefits of such an industry here are multitude.

Got the brains?? work it out. 

I am just sorry I'm too old and poor to take it up as an enterprise.  Smiley


International price for camel milk.

Healthy Camel Milk Powder (low fat)/spray dried skimmed milk powder US $1 - 1,000 / Kilogram

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Reply #28 - Nov 11th, 2014 at 12:33am  
lee wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 10:32am:
From what I read in our paper yesterday, they give very little milk, compared to dairy cows, which is why the milk is expensive. The costs would be about the same.

Then of course at that price, $25per litre, you have to have a dedicated market. The size of your market has to determine the size of your investment.

One camel for a Bedouin family to milk is ok. They generally don't have refrigeration, Weetbix etc. So their consumption would generally be much less than Western society.

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Reply #29 - Nov 11th, 2014 at 12:34am  
lee wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 10:32am:
From what I read in our paper yesterday, they give very little milk, compared to dairy cows, which is why the milk is expensive. The costs would be about the same.

Then of course at that price, $25per litre, you have to have a dedicated market. The size of your market has to determine the size of your investment.

One camel for a Bedouin family to milk is ok. They generally don't have refrigeration, Weetbix etc. So their consumption would generally be much less than Western society.

   

That wasn't me .. that was Lee  see quote above.
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