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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 32098 Gender:	Re: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. Reply #60 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:27am Quote: Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power. Further perpetuation of the furphy that only whites/ Europeans are racists.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. Reply #61 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:14am Let's see how the "institutional power" of a poor white kid holds up when he's getting chased by a bunch of coons intent on stomping and robbing him for being white.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. Reply #62 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:32am Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:27am: Quote: Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power. Further perpetuation of the furphy that only whites/ Europeans are racists. Depends on the country, I experienced racism in Tonga, where Tongans have the power.
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Reply #63 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:36am

Australia has no culture, don't you know. Only the 'other' has deep and honourable cultures.

The reflex opening gambit from the progs is to ask 'what is Australian culture?' And then proceed to crass and stupid examples like drunkenness and sunburn. If told that immigrants should fit in, learn the language and respect the customs, they compare the expectation to Nazism.

ColdFact wrote on Oct 27^th, 2014 at 4:56am:

Panther wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

Welcome the immigrant into our society on the provision he respects the privilege he is being offered, to live in Australia, the privilege of living in our society by joining in that society & accepting our ways, our culture, our laws, & our language.

Still sounds like Nazi Germany in the 30s. Aside from the rhetoric, how would you legislate and enforce these conditions? And could you specifically enlighten me on the Australian culture that you have in mind Are we talking compulsory Holden car ownership and meat pie lunches; compulsory heavy drinking and gambling habits; compulsory membership of a cricket club, or mindless sun-baking and surfing on a shark infested beach?

See if you can articulate an argument without resorting to rants about media manifestations like 'terrorism', 'the war on terror', Sharia law, and other such delusions.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. Reply #64 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am Well what is our culture Soren?
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Reply #65 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:58am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Well what is our culture Soren?

Ahhhhh this number straight from the sandalista songbook. An oldie but a goodie to define that set of attributes that we enjoy and is referred to in shorthand as Australia values. One thing is certain, when a luvvie asks you to define something it is not to seek knowledge but to confound a debate.

I suggest you could ask a country shopper who has travelled across the world bypassing myriad other countries that are a better religious and cultural match to access those qualities that have been built here and what values they have risked their lives to join. You may even end up learning something...

Among those attributes to which the left remains clueless and baffled would be a stable country not riven by sectarian violence that is largely free of official corruption, where exists the rule of law and property rights and access to redress of grievance, freedom of religion, stable polity and the ability to vote without fear or retribution with generous social safety nets and where you can largely live your life as you like albeit with regard to tolerance to others.

But I suspect it would be no avail, the luvvies do so enjoy their myopia and wilful ignorance, and if it is not feigned for minor and idiotic debating points then they can live in any other country, blind as they appear to present, ito a countries attributes and cultures

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Reply #66 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:14am

Datalife wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Well what is our culture Soren?

Ahhhhh this number straight from the sandalista songbook. An oldie but a goodie to define that set of attributes that we enjoy and is referred to in shorthand as Australia values. One thing is certain, when a luvvie asks you to define something it is not to seek knowledge but to confound a debate.

I suggest you could ask a country shopper who has travelled across the world bypassing myriad other countries that are a better religious and cultural match to access those qualities that have been built here and what values they have risked their lives to join. You may even end up learning something...

Among those attributes to which the left remains clueless and baffled would be a stable country not riven by sectarian violence that is largely free of official corruption, where exists the rule of law and property rights and access to redress of grievance, freedom of religion, stable polity and the ability to vote without fear or retribution with generous social safety nets and where you can largely live your life as you like albeit with regard to tolerance to others.

But I suspect it would be no avail, the luvvies do so enjoy their myopia and wilful ignorance, and if it is not feigned for minor and idiotic debating points then they can live in any other country, blind as they appear to present, ito a countries attributes and cultures

Well, actually my question was in response to his statement about lefties wanting to define it as drunkeneness and sunburn. I was looking to see what if it isn't that (and I don't happen to think it is) what his definition of it is.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. Reply #67 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:45am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am: Well what is our culture Soren? We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know. We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism.
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Reply #68 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Well what is our culture Soren?

We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know.

We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism.

So how can we ask people to integrate then.

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Reply #69 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:37pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Well what is our culture Soren?

We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know.

We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism.

So how can we ask people to integrate then.

Whooosshhhh!!!!

Well, we ask them to integrate into the culture that was attractive enough for them to want to come here. You know, Australia.

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Reply #70 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:51pm

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Well what is our culture Soren?

We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know.

We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism.

So how can we ask people to integrate then.

Whooosshhhh!!!!

Well, we ask them to integrate into the culture that was attractive enough for them to want to come here. You know, Australia.

But if its indefinable, how can we point out ot people how to integrate into it.

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Reply #71 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 1:12pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Well what is our culture Soren?

We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know.

We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism.

So how can we ask people to integrate then.

Whooosshhhh!!!!

Well, we ask them to integrate into the culture that was attractive enough for them to want to come here. You know, Australia.

But if its indefinable, how can we point out ot people how to integrate into it.

This is a distinctive country, not a word in a dictionary, pal. Can you exhaustively 'define' any culture? Can you define the difference between the Chinese and the Japanese? French and Russians? It is a ridiculous request.

It is up to the immigrants to observe the habits, custom, norms and expectation of their new country and then fit in with them.

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Reply #72 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 1:32pm

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Well what is our culture Soren?

We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know.

We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism.

So how can we ask people to integrate then.

Whooosshhhh!!!!

Well, we ask them to integrate into the culture that was attractive enough for them to want to come here. You know, Australia.

But if its indefinable, how can we point out ot people how to integrate into it.

This is a distinctive country, not a word in a dictionary, pal. Can you exhaustively 'define' any culture? Can you define the difference between the Chinese and the Japanese? French and Russians? It is a ridiculous request.

It is up to the immigrants to observe the habits, custom, norms and expectation of their new country and then fit in with them.

Should there be a timescale for that?

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Reply #73 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 2:14pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 11:41pm:

You've got the "progressives" fired up here, Herbert.

It's a bit like the bee hive inside the tree in my backyard that I tried to spray this morning.

The more I sprayed, the greater their number, and the greater their agitation, until I had to make a hasty retreat to the safe bunker of my home.

The Bee Riot Squad is coming on Friday to deal with these little backyard terrorists.

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Reply #74 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 4:59pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:01am:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 8:33pm:

I would consider reverse racism to be a myth to be honest.

Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power. A minority group with no institutional power can say, do or believe whatever they like with little (at best) or no impact on the lives of those from the dominant culture.

Institutional power? Perhaps you can flesh this out a bit more.

Seriously? What exactly is not clear about the term?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:01am:

Also, do the millions of whites from the lower classes have institutional power?

Millions? Disputable figure, however, if they are part of the dominant culture then they certainly have some level of support within that system....

If they don't I am pretty sure I read somewhere that would be their parents fault...

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:01am:

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Fear of culture being diluted through immigration has been around in Australia long before the term multiculturalism was invented. That is the root of our racist past and the corner stone of present racism and religious bigotry. Ironically, if one is truly connected with their culture, it would seem that no external threat could actually impact on that.

How terrible it would be to live in fear.

So, it would be okay if Australia's current culture was completely diluted by Iranian culture? How about Saudi Arabian culture? I hear they're going gangbusters over there with the free speech thing. Roll Eyes

To be blunt, with less than 5% of the population made up of people from those cultures you are being an over dramatic drama queen.

Get back to me when you want to have a dose of reality...

At least then it may (I said may with the utmost hope) be productive.

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