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Plibersek badly in the wrong on Ebola
Oct 17th, 2014 at 6:01am
 
AUSTRALIANS deployed to West Africa’s ebola epicentre who become diagnosed with the deadly virus would likely die on the painful 30-hour evacuation flight back to Australia because our allies cannot guarantee use of their treatment facilities.

Despite the deadly risk, the opposition has written to the government demanding Australia send personnel to tackle the ebola crisis, which has now killed 4484 in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.

Deputy Opposition Leader Tanya Plibersek, who twice this year mistook Africa for a country rather than a continent, has been briefed by department heads on the lack of evacuation options, but is still persisting with calls to send personnel to West Africa.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott yesterday confirmed he would not consider sending personnel to the disease-plagued region until there was a “politically bankable” guarantee Australians could be flown to closer countries or use on-the ground treatment facilities provided by our allies.

Returning Ebola-infected personnel — who could be bleeding through the skin and uncontrollably excreting bodily fluids — back to Australia would involve 30 hours “in the air”, not including stopovers. Up to six medical crews would be required to alternate shifts on such flights because Hazmat suits get too hot to stay in for long periods of time.

Mr Abbott said he would take no risks until Australia had a promise of closer treatment options: “I think it would be a little irresponsible of an Australian government to order Australian personnel into this very dangerous situation if we didn’t have effective risk-mitigation strategies in place and at the moment there is no way of doing that.’’

Japan and Korea have taken the same view as Mr Abbott.

Ms Plibersek and opposition health spokeswoman Catherine King wrote to foreign minister Julie Bishop and health minister Peter Dutton demanding Australia do more to fight the crisis.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/fears-killer-ebola-disease-is-on-the-l...
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Reply #1 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 6:04am
 
Abbott is 100% correct - he can't send people there until there is a plan in place to get them out if they fall ill. He isn't stopping people from volunteering to go. But it would be irresponsible of him to send anyone on the authority of the government without a plan that would see them treated much closer to West Africa instead of enduring a 30-hour flight home that medical experts say would not see the infected person survive the flight.
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Reply #2 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:04am
 
I both agree and disagree with you on this one.

Yes, Plibersek is correct when she says we should be doing more.

But Abbott is also correct *GAG!* to not order health and aid workers in
unless measures are in place to treat/evacuate them.

Interestingly, I was listening to Sunrise 'Spin-Free Zone (what a misnomer
that is), with J Kennett and P Beattie, on this very subject.

Beattie wants them sent provided the US take on the responsibility for evac
and treatment (a reasonable suggestion, imo).

But Kennett erupted, basically saying 'If WE can't look after them here (and
apparently we can't) then they shouldn't go.

IMO, this is one of those 'rock and a hard place' scenarios where you run a
grave risk of getting it wrong, no matter which way you jump.

Personally I'd be giving ALL the help we can, short of actual people on the
ground. But if people wish to volunteer to go, then they should be given all
assistance and support.
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Plibersek badly in the wrong on Ebola

Has she been using what her husband used to use and peddle? Is being in close proximity to a former drug user likely to cause that innocent person to inhale dangerous fumes?
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Reply #4 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:32am
 
The UN should establish an isolation hospital in close proximity to the outbreak, protect it with competent troops and supply it with everything it needs for the care of infected health workers.  None should be returned to any country. until they are cleared.

Anyone that has been in the area or exposed to the disease should be subject to quarantine and not allowed to travel in airlines......
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Reply #5 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:36am
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:32am:
The UN should establish an isolation hospital in close proximity to the outbreak, protect it with competent troops and supply it with everything it needs for the care of infected health workers.  None should be returned to any country. until they are cleared.

Anyone that has been in the area or exposed to the disease should be subject to quarantine and not allowed to travel in airlines......


I don't have a problem with any of that.

Probably the best course of action, actually.
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Reply #6 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:46am
 
Kat wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:36am:
Swagman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:32am:
The UN should establish an isolation hospital in close proximity to the outbreak, protect it with competent troops and supply it with everything it needs for the care of infected health workers.  None should be returned to any country. until they are cleared.

Anyone that has been in the area or exposed to the disease should be subject to quarantine and not allowed to travel in airlines......


I don't have a problem with any of that.

Probably the best course of action, actually.



......except that the UN are a bunch of ditherers and it'd have to have a dozen committees and processes and votes and then some country would just veto the end result, and in the finish it'd do bugger all and blame the Yanks for acting unilaterally... Huh

...sounds familiar somehow... Huh
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Reply #7 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:47am
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:32am:
The UN should establish an isolation hospital in close proximity to the outbreak, protect it with competent troops and supply it with everything it needs for the care of infected health workers.  None should be returned to any country. until they are cleared.

Anyone that has been in the area or exposed to the disease should be subject to quarantine and not allowed to travel in airlines......



that is agreat idea.  BUT when you say UN you really mean USA and Australia and UK.  the rest of the world will stay on the sidelines as they always do and then criticise.  Who intervened in Yugoslavia etc? NATO.  when the UN wants to actually DO something, the rest run away an hide.
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Reply #8 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 8:00am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:47am:
Swagman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:32am:
The UN should establish an isolation hospital in close proximity to the outbreak, protect it with competent troops and supply it with everything it needs for the care of infected health workers.  None should be returned to any country. until they are cleared.

Anyone that has been in the area or exposed to the disease should be subject to quarantine and not allowed to travel in airlines......



that is agreat idea.  BUT when you say UN you really mean USA and Australia and UK.  the rest of the world will stay on the sidelines as they always do and then criticise.  Who intervened in Yugoslavia etc? NATO.  when the UN wants to actually DO something, the rest run away an hide.

Australia help with the Ebola epidemic?  We all know that Tony only follows into areas where he can kill some muslims.

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Reply #9 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 8:15am
 
ok, lets for one assume that this government has actually TRIED to obtain a deal with the US or UK on using their treatment centres for any of our personnel who may fall risk to sickness, what about aid to build treatment centres? The US has sent 3000 troops JUST to assist in building treatment centres; not just medical staff to help with treatment.  So, what about that? Surely we can send a few to help build a few treatment centres here or there? How is this risk any less than the risk of fighting in the Middle East? One Tony seems to care a great deal about...the other not so much. Is it because there are black people involved?

Besides, I doubt very much that the UK or the US would not open up their treatment centres, treatment centres they are building to mitigate Ebola, to any of our personnel who unfortunately fall ill to the disease.  What are they going to do, leave them in the street? What a ridiculous notion, and the idiots who read the Daily Nonagraph are once again buying sh1t.
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Re: Plibersek badly in the wrong on Ebola
Reply #10 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 8:19am
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:32am:
The UN should establish an isolation hospital in close proximity to the outbreak, protect it with competent troops and supply it with everything it needs for the care of infected health workers.  None should be returned to any country. until they are cleared.

Anyone that has been in the area or exposed to the disease should be subject to quarantine and not allowed to travel in airlines......




Lol, you are aware of how big the actual area effected here right?
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Reply #11 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 8:21am
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:32am:
The UN should establish an isolation hospital in close proximity to the outbreak, protect it with competent troops and supply it with everything it needs for the care of infected health workers.  None should be returned to any country. until they are cleared.Anyone that has been in the area or exposed to the disease should be subject to quarantine and not allowed to travel in airlines......



Good suggestion Swagman at least the reluctant countries like Australia might come to the party.

salad in wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:25am:
Has she been using what her husband used to use and peddle? Is being in close proximity to a former drug user likely to cause that innocent person to inhale dangerous fumes?


One of the sillier replies   *
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Reply #12 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 8:50am
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:32am:
The UN should establish an isolation hospital in close proximity to the outbreak, protect it with competent troops and supply it with everything it needs for the care of infected health workers.  None should be returned to any country. until they are cleared.

Anyone that has been in the area or exposed to the disease should be subject to quarantine and not allowed to travel in airlines......


see, it's that hard ... even Swag was able to come up with a solution.

why can't we set up a quarantine/ hospital area away from the danger zone? Maybe on one of the small islands surrounding the African continent. Once those that have travelled to the hot zones have spent sufficinet time on said island to be cleared, they are free to fly back home to whatever country they like.
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Reply #13 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 8:51am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 8:19am:
Swagman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:32am:
The UN should establish an isolation hospital in close proximity to the outbreak, protect it with competent troops and supply it with everything it needs for the care of infected health workers.  None should be returned to any country. until they are cleared.

Anyone that has been in the area or exposed to the disease should be subject to quarantine and not allowed to travel in airlines......




Lol, you are aware of how big the actual area effected here right?


the quarantine area is reserved for medics/aid workers working in the affected areas. Do nothing and that large area you are referring to will double or triple in no time
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Reply #14 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 9:13am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 8:50am:
Swagman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:32am:
The UN should establish an isolation hospital in close proximity to the outbreak, protect it with competent troops and supply it with everything it needs for the care of infected health workers.  None should be returned to any country. until they are cleared.

Anyone that has been in the area or exposed to the disease should be subject to quarantine and not allowed to travel in airlines......


see, it's that hard ... even Swag was able to come up with a solution.

why can't we set up a quarantine/ hospital area away from the danger zone? Maybe on one of the small islands surrounding the African continent. Once those that have travelled to the hot zones have spent sufficinet time on said island to be cleared, they are free to fly back home to whatever country they like.

because it involves money and Tony is too busy wasting it all on killing muslims.
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