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Reply #15 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:10pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

IS is a bunch of wankers with an ideology, not a Sovereign Nation.

The problem is complex, and not as simplistic as you put it. We would be far better served spending half a billion dollars each year here in Australia keeping dick-heads under very close observation, and dealing with them under our Law here. We cannot effectively fight an idea with weapons (or in our case - tooth picks) in Arabia.

I really would not care if I had an extreme Islamist living next door to me. He is free to rabbit on with his ideology for as long as he likes. He'll never get anywhere with me, or anyone else in my neighbourhood.

If he then gets all uppity and pulls a weapon....okay, he is snuffed out.

The Islamic state does control a large area of Syria and Iraq,they might not be recognised by the rest of the world as a sovereign state, the fact is the islamic state does control a large area.

It would probably be cheaper if we didn't import these people then we would not have to spend these absurd amounts of money keeping them in line or having deradicalization programs for them.

I would like it if lefties had fundamental muslims as neighbors, you could go share a glass of camel urine with them.

There is no State called Islam. IS is a bunch of redneck retards like the KKK.....a cult of murderers, according to Abbott. The thing we traditionally know as 'War' is hard to wage against an ideology....especially if you have to enter another Country without their permission to do it.

It's like the stupidity of expecting Abbott to consent that Indonesia may enter Australia with crackers to kill Catholics.

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Reply #16 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:21pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

IS is a bunch of wankers with an ideology, not a Sovereign Nation.

The problem is complex, and not as simplistic as you put it. We would be far better served spending half a billion dollars each year here in Australia keeping dick-heads under very close observation, and dealing with them under our Law here. We cannot effectively fight an idea with weapons (or in our case - tooth picks) in Arabia.

I really would not care if I had an extreme Islamist living next door to me. He is free to rabbit on with his ideology for as long as he likes. He'll never get anywhere with me, or anyone else in my neighbourhood.

If he then gets all uppity and pulls a weapon....okay, he is snuffed out.

The Islamic state does control a large area of Syria and Iraq,they might not be recognised by the rest of the world as a sovereign state, the fact is the islamic state does control a large area.

It would probably be cheaper if we didn't import these people then we would not have to spend these absurd amounts of money keeping them in line or having deradicalization programs for them.

I would like it if lefties had fundamental muslims as neighbors, you could go share a glass of camel urine with them.

There is no State called Islam. IS is a bunch of redneck retards like the KKK.....a cult of murderers, according to Abbott. The thing we traditionally know as 'War' is hard to wage against an ideology....especially if you have to enter another Country without their permission to do it.

It's like the stupidity of expecting Abbott to consent that Indonesia may enter Australia with crackers to kill Catholics.

The Islamic state are selling oil on the blackmarket through Turkey, they have imposed taxes, they are self funding.

I agree this will not be won with bullets and bombs, of course with leftist Islamic apologists trying to silence any debate on Islam it is difficult to debate the flaws in Islamic ideology with leftist idiots hurling slurs like Islamophobe and racist.

The Caliph of the Islamic state has a BA,MA and PhD in Islamic studies, what are the Islamic qualifications of those who claim the Islamic state are unislamic?

We have permission to be in Iraq from the government,the only way some of these devout muslims can be stopped is with hellfire missiles/JDAMS and the good old 7.62 Nato.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #17 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:28pm

baron -

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.....The Islamic state are selling oil on the blackmarket through Turkey, they have imposed taxes, they are self funding.

I agree this will not be won with bullets and bombs, of course with leftist Islamic apologists trying to silence any debate on Islam it is difficult to debate the flaws in Islamic ideology with leftist idiots calling hurling slurs like Islamophobe and racist.

The Caliph of the Islamic state has a BA,MA and PhD in Islamic studies, what are the Islamic qualifications of those who claim the Islamic state are unislamic?

We have permission to be in Iraq from the government,the only way some of these devout muslims can be stopped is with hellfire missiles/JDAMS and the good old 7.62 Nato.......

thanks baron, I was surprised why turkey would help isis.
I was aware isis had captured oil rigs to fund their Islamic drive.
The link was not made in my mind.
As per usual, follow the money trail.

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Reply #18 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:33pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

IS is a bunch of wankers with an ideology, not a Sovereign Nation.

The problem is complex, and not as simplistic as you put it. We would be far better served spending half a billion dollars each year here in Australia keeping dick-heads under very close observation, and dealing with them under our Law here. We cannot effectively fight an idea with weapons (or in our case - tooth picks) in Arabia.

I really would not care if I had an extreme Islamist living next door to me. He is free to rabbit on with his ideology for as long as he likes. He'll never get anywhere with me, or anyone else in my neighbourhood.

If he then gets all uppity and pulls a weapon....okay, he is snuffed out.

The Islamic state does control a large area of Syria and Iraq,they might not be recognised by the rest of the world as a sovereign state, the fact is the islamic state does control a large area.

It would probably be cheaper if we didn't import these people then we would not have to spend these absurd amounts of money keeping them in line or having deradicalization programs for them.

I would like it if lefties had fundamental muslims as neighbors, you could go share a glass of camel urine with them.

There is no State called Islam. IS is a bunch of redneck retards like the KKK.....a cult of murderers, according to Abbott. The thing we traditionally know as 'War' is hard to wage against an ideology....especially if you have to enter another Country without their permission to do it.

It's like the stupidity of expecting Abbott to consent that Indonesia may enter Australia with crackers to kill Catholics.

The Islamic state are selling oil on the blackmarket through Turkey, they have imposed taxes, they are self funding.

I agree this will not be won with bullets and bombs, of course with leftist Islamic apologists trying to silence any debate on Islam it is difficult to debate the flaws in Islamic ideology with leftist idiots hurling slurs like Islamophobe and racist.

The Caliph of the Islamic state has a BA,MA and PhD in Islamic studies, what are the Islamic qualifications of those who claim the Islamic state are unislamic?

We have permission to be in Iraq from the government,the only way some of these devout muslims can be stopped is with hellfire missiles/JDAMS and the good old 7.62 Nato.

Well apart from the 900 gazillion words on this forum alone on that debate shooting a bit of a hole in that point...

Consider this, some who you broadly label "apologists" or others label "sympathisers" are actually merely trying to debate the issues...

Hurling slurs like Islamaphobe is quite simply just as ludicrous as slurs like Leftist Islamic Apologists... At least it looks that ways with both eyes open!

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Reply #19 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:57pm

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I agree this will not be won with bullets and bombs, of course with leftist Islamic apologists trying to silence any debate on Islam it is difficult to debate the flaws in Islamic ideology with leftist idiots hurling slurs like Islamophobe and racist.

That is your issue because you are totally unable to distinguish a mob of dick-heads like the KKK with mainstream, moderate anything.

And to answer one silly point you made....given the War Planes and bombs flying over and dropping on Syria, do you really reckon there is even on oil well the Arab KKK still get oil out of.

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Reply #21 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 7:33pm

red baron wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

The Kurds in Kobani must wonder what is going on as they fight to avoid a Genocide.

Kobani is proof that ISIL cannot be defeated by Air Forces alone.

The U.S. dithers and won't commit boots on the ground. Turkey won't get involved even though ISIL is now just a few hundred metres short of its borders. Somehow Turkey thinks that putting its head in the ground will eliminate them as a target. It won't, everything is a target as far as ISIL is concerned.

A Genocide is just breathes away. Once the brave Kurds get overpowered, this will be a full scale slaughter.

Incidentally, anyone heard from the United Nations lately on what they intend to do?

As usual this usual bunch of no hopers will turn their backs and pretend it's not happening.

Looks like the Coalition are going to do the same thing other than drop a few bombs.

The US are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they go in, the leftists will explode with emotional convulsions, and if they don't go in, they get condemned for sitting idle.

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Re: Kobani - proof this is a phoney War for Coalition
Reply #23 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:32pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

It would be amusing if IS invaded Turkey. Turks are highly nationalist and I would think that IS would be quickly destroyed on Turkish soil. Turks also aren't too fussed on following the Human Rights agenda, so they'll fight dirty as well. Not like the West who pussy-foots around everything.

Sooooo....if the Turks can't be arsed to fight in Syria given they have a shared border.............what is the West doing there?

I say again....we have no place, never had in Arab -v- Arab. Let them slug it out as they have done for ages.

You'd almost wish Saddam was still there. He obviously had them under his thumb. We removed that..............and...............

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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Reply #24 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:04pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

It would be amusing if IS invaded Turkey. Turks are highly nationalist and I would think that IS would be quickly destroyed on Turkish soil. Turks also aren't too fussed on following the Human Rights agenda, so they'll fight dirty as well. Not like the West who pussy-foots around everything.

Sooooo....if the Turks can't be arsed to fight in Syria given they have a shared border.............what is the West doing there?

I say again....we have no place, never had in Arab -v- Arab. Let them slug it out as they have done for ages.

You'd almost wish Saddam was still there. He obviously had them under his thumb. We removed that..............and...............

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

so why do we get involved.. no I am not forgetting oil.. but just about every country has oil...from what little I have read America is just about self sufficient
Norway lives off the stuff.. Scotland.Aust.Russia.

so why do we still get involved?...

lets face it whatever is built in the Middle east is almost solely imported labor and materials.... I find it hard to believe anyone in ISIL could build a refinery..

looking at most of the countries they are very much behind the times...behind the millionaires rows built by foreigners..

they still live in tents.

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Re: Kobani - proof this is a phoney War for Coalition
Reply #25 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:12pm

cods wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

It would be amusing if IS invaded Turkey. Turks are highly nationalist and I would think that IS would be quickly destroyed on Turkish soil. Turks also aren't too fussed on following the Human Rights agenda, so they'll fight dirty as well. Not like the West who pussy-foots around everything.

Sooooo....if the Turks can't be arsed to fight in Syria given they have a shared border.............what is the West doing there?

I say again....we have no place, never had in Arab -v- Arab. Let them slug it out as they have done for ages.

You'd almost wish Saddam was still there. He obviously had them under his thumb. We removed that..............and...............

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

so why do we get involved.. no I am not forgetting oil.. but just about every country has oil...from what little I have read America is just about self sufficient
Norway lives off the stuff.. Scotland.Aust.Russia.

so why do we still get involved?...

lets face it whatever is built in the Middle east is almost solely imported labor and materials.... I find it hard to believe anyone in ISIL could build a refinery..

looking at most of the countries they are very much behind the times...behind the millionaires rows built by foreigners..

they still live in tents.

You're on the money there cods. No doubt about you.

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Reply #26 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:22am

I'm afraid I am quickly coming to the opinion, that this is a phoney War in the Middle East.

By that, I don't mean there is not Genocide occurring under the hands of ISIL.

But the Coalition of the new Willing are being very selective in where and how they will take ISIL on.

If you are going to go after ISIL then go after them with a purpose, chase them wherever they are. Take them out.

But if you can't commit, such as is the case with Kobani in Syria, where the Kurds have been hung out to dry, then this is a total joke and we should pack up and come home.

Also, the SAS teaching the Iraqis how to fight.... It would seem to me, that firstly you would have to give the Iraqis all heart transplants, as they seem to have little taste for the battle...save for the Kurds who have been brave against overwhelming opposition.

This whole thing is getting more and more suspect by the minute.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Kobani - proof this is a phoney War for Coalition Reply #28 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 2:58pm What Team Murdoch...you call what ISIL has a Justice system, what lunatic Asylum did you graduate from? PS Genocide and beheadings doesn't count as a Justice System
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Reply #29 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 3:16pm

cods wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/kurds3.html

The Kurds have lived in a mountainous, roughly 74,000-square-mile region known as Kurdistan for the past two millennia. Throughout their history they have remained under the thumb of various conquerors and nations. Since the early 20th century, the region has been divided between Turkey, Iran, Syria, and Iraq, all of which have repressed, often brutally, their Kurdish minority. The Kurds, who number 20–25 million, are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own nation.

Read more: Kurdish History Timeline | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/kurds3.html#ixzz3Fgwt8dGw

91 After the Persian Gulf War, Iraq's Kurds rise up against Saddam Hussein, encouraged by the United States. Iraq quashes the rebellions, killing thousands. The U.N. coalition forces do not come to the aid of the Kurds, but eventually establish a no-fly zone in the north for their protection. Iraqi Kurds now control a 15,000-square-mile autonomous region in Northern Iraq populated by 3 million Kurds.

Turkey lifts ban set by former military government on the use of Kurdish language in unofficial settings. Kurdish remains illegal in schools, political settings, and broadcasts.
1992 A large-scale Turkish military operation attacks PKK bases in Iraq, where Kurdish safe havens had been allowed to develop by international forces after the Persian Gulf War.
1993 The Turkish government grants limited autonomy to the Kurds, though Kurdish political parties continue to be banned. Martial law is imposed to quell uprisings. Tens of thousands of security forces are sent to southeastern Turkey as the struggle intensifies.
1994 The two main political gr

Read more: Kurdish History Timeline | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/kurds3.html#ixzz3FgxJJCj8

,this isnt new Rb..

it didnt just start...

whos right whos wrong...????????...

as people say what good do bombs do???..

what good does talking do?>..

do you think boots on the ground won anything in Iraq???...why would this be any different?

If you go back further into history, British pilots fresh from operations on the Western front were dropping mustard bombs on Kurd villages in 1919.
The problem with the Kurds is they have always been prepared to carve out their brand of Islamic nation from Turkey and Iraq via terrorism, and in doing so have made no friends whatsoever in the region.

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