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Kobani - proof this is a phoney War for Coalition
Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:29am
 
The Kurds in Kobani must wonder what is going on as they fight to avoid a Genocide.

Kobani is proof that ISIL cannot be defeated by Air Forces alone.

The U.S. dithers and won't commit boots on the ground. Turkey won't get involved even though ISIL is now just a few hundred metres short of its borders. Somehow Turkey thinks that putting its head in the ground will eliminate them as a target. It won't, everything is a target as far as ISIL is concerned.

A Genocide is just breathes away. Once the brave Kurds get overpowered, this will be a full scale slaughter.

Incidentally, anyone heard from the United Nations lately on what they intend to do?

As usual this usual bunch of no hopers will turn their backs and pretend it's not happening.

Looks like the Coalition are going to do the same thing other than drop a few bombs.





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Re: Kobani - proof this is a phoney War for Coalition
Reply #1 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:47am
 
red baron wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:29am:
Looks like the Coalition are going to do the same thing other than drop a few bombs.



.....aka humanitarian aid....... Tony said so last night on the news.

I still wonder how the dropping of bombs can be considered as humanitarian aid.
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Re: Kobani - proof this is a phoney War for Coalition
Reply #2 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 9:08am
 
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/kurds3.html

The Kurds have lived in a mountainous, roughly 74,000-square-mile region known as Kurdistan for the past two millennia. Throughout their history they have remained under the thumb of various conquerors and nations. Since the early 20th century, the region has been divided between Turkey, Iran, Syria, and Iraq, all of which have repressed, often brutally, their Kurdish minority. The Kurds, who number 20–25 million, are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own nation.

Read more: Kurdish History Timeline | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/kurds3.html#ixzz3Fgwt8dGw


91      After the Persian Gulf War, Iraq's Kurds rise up against Saddam Hussein, encouraged by the United States. Iraq quashes the rebellions, killing thousands. The U.N. coalition forces do not come to the aid of the Kurds, but eventually establish a no-fly zone in the north for their protection. Iraqi Kurds now control a 15,000-square-mile autonomous region in Northern Iraq populated by 3 million Kurds.

Turkey lifts ban set by former military government on the use of Kurdish language in unofficial settings. Kurdish remains illegal in schools, political settings, and broadcasts.
1992      A large-scale Turkish military operation attacks PKK bases in Iraq, where Kurdish safe havens had been allowed to develop by international forces after the Persian Gulf War.
1993      The Turkish government grants limited autonomy to the Kurds, though Kurdish political parties continue to be banned. Martial law is imposed to quell uprisings. Tens of thousands of security forces are sent to southeastern Turkey as the struggle intensifies.
1994      The two main political gr


Read more: Kurdish History Timeline | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/kurds3.html#ixzz3FgxJJCj8


,this isnt new Rb..

it didnt just start...

whos right whos wrong...????????...

as people say what good do bombs do???..

what good does talking do?>..

do you think boots on the ground won anything in Iraq???...why would this be any different?

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Reply #3 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 3:15pm
 
red baron wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:29am:
The Kurds in Kobani must wonder what is going on as they fight to avoid a Genocide.

Kobani is proof that ISIL cannot be defeated by Air Forces alone.

The U.S. dithers and won't commit boots on the ground. Turkey won't get involved even though ISIL is now just a few hundred metres short of its borders. Somehow Turkey thinks that putting its head in the ground will eliminate them as a target. It won't, everything is a target as far as ISIL is concerned.

A Genocide is just breathes away. Once the brave Kurds get overpowered, this will be a full scale slaughter.

Incidentally, anyone heard from the United Nations lately on what they intend to do?

As usual this usual bunch of no hopers will turn their backs and pretend it's not happening.

Looks like the Coalition are going to do the same thing other than drop a few bombs.







Kobani (Kobane) is in Syria.  Abbott is not in Syria.
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Reply #4 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 3:42pm
 
red baron wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:29am:
Turkey won't get involved even though ISIL is now just a few hundred metres short of its borders. Somehow Turkey thinks that putting its head in the ground will eliminate them as a target. It won't, everything is a target as far as ISIL is concerned.


Turkey hs been actively supporting ISIS and other islamists for years.

As one Kurdish protestor said to western media recently (paraphrasing) - 'we don't need your (Turkey) weapons, we don't need you support - we just need you to stop supporting ISIS"
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Reply #5 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 4:45pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 3:42pm:
red baron wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:29am:
Turkey won't get involved even though ISIL is now just a few hundred metres short of its borders. Somehow Turkey thinks that putting its head in the ground will eliminate them as a target. It won't, everything is a target as far as ISIL is concerned.


Turkey hs been actively supporting ISIS and other islamists for years.

As one Kurdish protestor said to western media recently (paraphrasing) - 'we don't need your (Turkey) weapons, we don't need you support - we just need you to stop supporting ISIS"



do you think ISIL will stop at the border gandalf?...

I have read where Turkey has its tanks on the border ready to defend against them...

seems like its ok in someone elses back yard just dont come into mine...

it would be just like Turkey to call for help if the tide turns against them.. seems like these countries want the West to do all their dirty work for them.
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Reply #6 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 4:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 3:42pm:
Turkey hs been actively supporting ISIS and other islamists for years.

As one Kurdish protestor said to western media recently (paraphrasing) - 'we don't need your (Turkey) weapons, we don't need you support - we just need you to stop supporting ISIS"


So Turkey has sided with the Islamic state which apologists claim is unislamic?


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Reply #7 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:07pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 3:42pm:
red baron wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:29am:
Turkey won't get involved even though ISIL is now just a few hundred metres short of its borders. Somehow Turkey thinks that putting its head in the ground will eliminate them as a target. It won't, everything is a target as far as ISIL is concerned.


Turkey hs been actively supporting ISIS and other islamists for years.

As one Kurdish protestor said to western media recently (paraphrasing) - 'we don't need your (Turkey) weapons, we don't need you support - we just need you to stop supporting ISIS"



do you think ISIL will stop at the border gandalf?...

I have read where Turkey has its tanks on the border ready to defend against them...

seems like its ok in someone elses back yard just dont come into mine...

it would be just like Turkey to call for help if the tide turns against them.. seems like these countries want the West to do all their dirty work for them.


The Turks won't need the West.  They never have.  They beat the poo out of us almost 100 years ago.
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Reply #8 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:18pm
 
That's EXACTLY RIGHT Aussie, Kobane is in Syria. Since when, when we are a fighting A WAR, do we stop at a line in the sand called Syria?

I'm sick of all this phoney bullsh.t.

ISIL should be pursued and engaged with vigour wherever they are bobbing up.

This isn't Monopoly and all this tip toeing around the place is really starting to grate. Either take them on or f...k off!

PS Yes re Turkey, that was 100 years ago and Turkey is nervous because a large portion of the Muslim population will likely support ISIL.
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Reply #9 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:23pm
 
red baron wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:18pm:
That's EXACTLY RIGHT Aussie, Kobane is in Syria. Since when, when we are a fighting A WAR, do we stop at a line in the sand called Syria?

I'm sick of all this phoney bullsh.t.

ISIL should be pursed and engaged with vigour wherever they are bobbing up.

This isn't Monopoly and all this tip toeing around the place is really starting to grate. Either take them on or f...k off!


Oh....but it is.  Ya need lots of legal documents signed under International Law when you declare (or not declare) War on an ideology, one you want to wage (or not) for domestic political advantage and with a tooth pick in a foreign sovereign country.  We were invited into Iraq.....no-one has invited us into Syria.

Your point in reality highlights why we have no place there.  This is an Arab -v- Arab civil shite fight, and not once in centuries has the West successfully become involved.  Inevitably......we go in (for domestic votes or oil).....we leave.......and soon enough ancient Arab tribal bull shite bubbles back to the surface.

It is their problem, not ours, and yep.....people die.  If I were an Arab, I'd grab a gun, stay, fight - and send the Wife and kids to Australia on a boat where Tony Abbott will have the welcome mat out for them.
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Reply #10 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:35pm
 
In the Second World War, we didn't need an invitation to go after the enemy. The  most powerful Nations in the World have agreed that ISIL represents a huge danger to the world.

Syria is a nation which has been rocked by civil war for years. It is no use asking a lame dog for attack orders.

They need to go in and sort it...or as you would like get out.

I can't tolerate the way this politik approach is going. And if we continue this course, we along with the Coalition, are in for an arse kicking, air force or no air force.

In other words they need to get real and do what needs to be done.

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Reply #11 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:54pm
 
red baron wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:35pm:
In the Second World War, we didn't need an invitation to go after the enemy. The  most powerful Nations in the World have agreed that ISIL represents a huge danger to the world.

Syria is a nation which has been rocked by civil war for years. It is no use asking a lame dog for attack orders.

They need to go in and sort it...or as you would like get out.

I can't tolerate the way this politik approach is going. And if we continue this course, we along with the Coalition, are in for an arse kicking, air force or no air force.

In other words they need to get real and do what needs to be done.




Mr Baron.  You haven't grasped the reality.  Let's stick with WW2.  War was declared on a Sovereign Nation by another Sovereign Nation.

IS is a bunch of wankers with an ideology, not a Sovereign Nation.

The problem is complex, and not as simplistic as you put it.  We would be far better served spending half a billion dollars each year here in Australia keeping dick-heads under very close observation, and dealing with them under our Law here.  We cannot effectively fight an idea with weapons (or in our case - tooth picks) in Arabia.

I really would not care if I had an extreme Islamist living next door to me.  He is free to rabbit on with his ideology for as long as he likes.  He'll never get anywhere with me, or anyone else in my neighbourhood.  We are more likely to drink him under the table and convert him to 'Aussieslam' with complete lack of interest in his garden fairy. In fact, I'd enjoy arguing with the bloke.

If he then gets all uppity and pulls a weapon....okay, he is snuffed out.
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Reply #12 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:58pm
 
Both rushing into the Phoney War and The MH17 Mouthing Off are all Abbotts trying to lift the public acceptance of his discredited government.

Even if the USA wanted us in Iraq, why is Abbott racing to be first on the list to join the uSA.

Similarly regarding the MH17, Abbott mouthing off about Russia and sending Bishop over to the UN all for the Australian publics benefit. The Dutch and Malaysians were much more considered in their response.

Its all about playing politics.
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Reply #13 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 6:02pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:54pm:
IS is a bunch of wankers with an ideology, not a Sovereign Nation.

The problem is complex, and not as simplistic as you put it.  We would be far better served spending half a billion dollars each year here in Australia keeping dick-heads under very close observation, and dealing with them under our Law here.  We cannot effectively fight an idea with weapons (or in our case - tooth picks) in Arabia.

I really would not care if I had an extreme Islamist living next door to me.  He is free to rabbit on with his ideology for as long as he likes.  He'll never get anywhere with me, or anyone else in my neighbourhood.

If he then gets all uppity and pulls a weapon....okay, he is snuffed out.


The Islamic state does control a large area of Syria and Iraq,they might not be recognised by the rest of the world as a sovereign state, the fact is the islamic state does control a large area.

It would probably be cheaper if we didn't import these people then we would not have to spend these absurd amounts of money keeping them in line or having deradicalization programs for them.

I would like it if lefties had fundamental muslims as neighbors, you could go share a glass of camel urine with them.

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Reply #14 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 6:04pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:47am:
red baron wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:29am:
Looks like the Coalition are going to do the same thing other than drop a few bombs.



.....aka humanitarian aid....... Tony said so last night on the news.

I still wonder how the dropping of bombs can be considered as humanitarian aid.


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