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Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself
Reply #16 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:32pm

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:19am:

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its a two edged sword bobby... look on the positive side..

Emails are recorded.
But what if they find out Granny's secret recipe for pumpkin pie
then sell the info or
make their own and sell it for a profit.

You see - everything is recorded.
There are no secrets.

You should read 1984.

now you are making fun so what are you afraid of bobs?

I am making a joke that everyone's secrets are known - even Granny's pumpkin pie.

It seems silly to have the emails of every person - even those who are no threat.

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Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself
Reply #17 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:09pm

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

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Fear makes money. In a world that is run on money, I don't believe so. Sadly.

In some ways we play into terrorists hands by making
our country a more fearful place full of Govt. spying etc.

Watch the repeat of 4 Corners tonight:

Quote:

Four Corners
Privacy Lost (Repeat)

11.35pm - 12.21am
ABC
Tonight

How governments use internet providers to spy on you.

I missed it last night.

hilarious bobby...

do you look at your shopping docket??..every detail listed even how much GST you paid.... do you know your supermarket is watching you?????...

guess what not just your supermarket but any supermarket..you pop into your local all nighter and your usual supermarket knows about it..if you use your card....

we are being watched 24/7.. do you do your banking paying bills on the net???.....

should you be afraid......well I dont do anything wrong.. so no ... but I cant speak for my neighbours.... if they are buying up bags of fertiliser..I would much rather someone in authority knew about it...

its a two edged sword bobby... look on the positive side..

And there you have it. Cods, the malleable material from which to build your 1984

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Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself
Reply #18 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:19am:

Quote:

its a two edged sword bobby... look on the positive side..

Emails are recorded.
But what if they find out Granny's secret recipe for pumpkin pie
then sell the info or
make their own and sell it for a profit.

You see - everything is recorded.
There are no secrets.

You should read 1984.

now you are making fun so what are you afraid of bobs?

I am making a joke that everyone's secrets are known - even Granny's pumpkin pie.

It seems silly to have the emails of every person - even those who are no threat.

look I think you are over reacting..its monitoring..do not think for one moment your ,mobile phones have not been monitored for years....

how do you think they catch paedophiles and drug runners?? by chance?????

you are safe bobs I am sure you like myself would be one of the last people they are interested in....

how ever if they told the world they were only looking into..lets say .. anyone who travels between Oz and Pakistan all the time... then that would kind of spoil the surprise...so they say everyone will be watched its no different to you having your bags searched at the airport.....why would they suss you and me of smuggling or carrying a bomb... Roll Eyes

but it has to include everyone..or...well we know what will happen...pansi will have a fit and start calling it discrimination... Roll Eyes

just kidding pansi...

even you would know what an impact the internet has had on our way of life....is there anything it doesnt impact on???...

if you started buying child porn bobby someone would be on your doorstep very soon...ev en just hooking up to a "club" you would be found eventually... not through someone dobbing you in.. but through the internet trackers.....

I am sure if a dirty old man was chatting up your 13 yr old daughter pretending to be a 14 yr old...you would be more than relieved to know someone was watching and waiting to catch him... its the price we pay.

bugger the pumpkin pie recipe.

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Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself
Reply #19 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

Quote:

Fear makes money. In a world that is run on money, I don't believe so. Sadly.

In some ways we play into terrorists hands by making
our country a more fearful place full of Govt. spying etc.

Watch the repeat of 4 Corners tonight:

Quote:

Four Corners
Privacy Lost (Repeat)

11.35pm - 12.21am
ABC
Tonight

How governments use internet providers to spy on you.

I missed it last night.

hilarious bobby...

do you look at your shopping docket??..every detail listed even how much GST you paid.... do you know your supermarket is watching you?????...

guess what not just your supermarket but any supermarket..you pop into your local all nighter and your usual supermarket knows about it..if you use your card....

we are being watched 24/7.. do you do your banking paying bills on the net???.....

should you be afraid......well I dont do anything wrong.. so no ... but I cant speak for my neighbours.... if they are buying up bags of fertiliser..I would much rather someone in authority knew about it...

its a two edged sword bobby... look on the positive side..

And there you have it. Cods, the malleable material from which to build your 1984

sparticus we have had that since they invented SPIES.. do you know how many shops have little cameras recording you going in and out.. I bet you dont...pubs clubs all had them for years.....I think even brothels have them... I wouldnt know..but they are with us cameras I mean 1984....

and I bet there isnt one of us.. who if they were bashed and robbed and it was caught on camera and used to convict the mugger

would not be grateful for that spying machine....

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Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself
Reply #20 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:50pm

You have to remember that if all people were trustworthy, there wouldn't be a need for surveillance.

Like cods said, you don't have to worry about it if you have nothing to hide. I understand the right to privacy though... for instance, experienced computer buffs have technology that enables them to access your webcam and look into it, viewing your end from theirs. This sort of thing makes me angry, as well as hackers in general. Simple solution to the webcam thing, though: disable it. I don't have any reason to have it on, I don't have family/friends overseas to communicate with, etc.

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Because everything would be what it isn't.
And contrary-wise - what it is, it wouldn't be.
And what it wouldn't be, it would.
You see?

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Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself
Reply #21 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:11pm

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:19am:

Quote:

its a two edged sword bobby... look on the positive side..

Emails are recorded.
But what if they find out Granny's secret recipe for pumpkin pie
then sell the info or
make their own and sell it for a profit.

You see - everything is recorded.
There are no secrets.

You should read 1984.

now you are making fun so what are you afraid of bobs?

I am making a joke that everyone's secrets are known - even Granny's pumpkin pie.

It seems silly to have the emails of every person - even those who are no threat.

look I think you are over reacting..its monitoring..do not think for one moment your ,mobile phones have not been monitored for years....

how do you think they catch paedophiles and drug runners?? by chance?????

you are safe bobs I am sure you like myself would be one of the last people they are interested in....

how ever if they told the world they were only looking into..lets say .. anyone who travels between Oz and Pakistan all the time... then that would kind of spoil the surprise...so they say everyone will be watched its no different to you having your bags searched at the airport.....why would they suss you and me of smuggling or carrying a bomb... Roll Eyes

but it has to include everyone..or...well we know what will happen...pansi will have a fit and start calling it discrimination... Roll Eyes

just kidding pansi...

even you would know what an impact the internet has had on our way of life....is there anything it doesnt impact on???...

if you started buying child porn bobby someone would be on your doorstep very soon...ev en just hooking up to a "club" you would be found eventually... not through someone dobbing you in.. but through the internet trackers.....

I am sure if a dirty old man was chatting up your 13 yr old daughter pretending to be a 14 yr old...you would be more than relieved to know someone was watching and waiting to catch him... its the price we pay.

bugger the pumpkin pie recipe.

You have a good point.

We must sacrifice our privacy so that pedophiles, terrorists
& other bad guys don't get away with it.

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Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself
Reply #22 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:29pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

You have to remember that if all people were trustworthy, there wouldn't be a need for surveillance.

Like cods said, you don't have to worry about it if you have nothing to hide. I understand the right to privacy though... for instance, experienced computer buffs have technology that enables them to access your webcam and look into it, viewing your end from theirs. This sort of thing makes me angry, as well as hackers in general. Simple solution to the webcam thing, though: disable it. I don't have any reason to have it on, I don't have family/friends overseas to communicate with, etc.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when they hack into ozpol.... Wink

my emails are just as boring..its hard to believe so many dull uninteresting people out there...makes me glad I am not a hacker or understand anything about this bloody thing..

whats a webcam? can I rip it off or do I have to click
usb.. whatever that is...

if anyone is watching me free.. then good luck to them...watching paint dry would be more exhilarating

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Reply #23 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:34pm

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

You have to remember that if all people were trustworthy, there wouldn't be a need for surveillance.

Like cods said, you don't have to worry about it if you have nothing to hide. I understand the right to privacy though... for instance, experienced computer buffs have technology that enables them to access your webcam and look into it, viewing your end from theirs. This sort of thing makes me angry, as well as hackers in general. Simple solution to the webcam thing, though: disable it. I don't have any reason to have it on, I don't have family/friends overseas to communicate with, etc.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when they hack into ozpol.... Wink

my emails are just as boring..its hard to believe so many dull uninteresting people out there...makes me glad I am not a hacker or understand anything about this bloody thing..

whats a webcam? can I rip it off or do I have to click
usb.. whatever that is...

if anyone is watching me free.. then good luck to them... watching paint dry would be more exhilarating

If you own a laptop that has come out in, roughly, the last 5 years, then chances are there will be a built in webcam, that usually sits smack bang in the middle, but above your laptop's screen.

I wouldn't suggest ripping it out with your bare hands Wink

you can usually disable it through the "control panel" section of your computer. Or you can simply uninstall the software that fuels it.

If you have one of those old school PCs, though, you don't have to worry. If you want a webcam, however, you have to go out and buy one which can be connected via a USB cord.

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Because everything would be what it isn't.
And contrary-wise - what it is, it wouldn't be.
And what it wouldn't be, it would.
You see?

- Lewis Carroll

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111582 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself Reply #24 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:59pm Put a tiny piece of black tape over the camera lens - fixed.
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Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself
Reply #25 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 7:23pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

You have to remember that if all people were trustworthy, there wouldn't be a need for surveillance.

Like cods said, you don't have to worry about it if you have nothing to hide. I understand the right to privacy though... for instance, experienced computer buffs have technology that enables them to access your webcam and look into it, viewing your end from theirs. This sort of thing makes me angry, as well as hackers in general. Simple solution to the webcam thing, though: disable it. I don't have any reason to have it on, I don't have family/friends overseas to communicate with, etc.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when they hack into ozpol.... Wink

my emails are just as boring..its hard to believe so many dull uninteresting people out there...makes me glad I am not a hacker or understand anything about this bloody thing..

whats a webcam? can I rip it off or do I have to click
usb.. whatever that is...

if anyone is watching me free.. then good luck to them... watching paint dry would be more exhilarating

If you own a laptop that has come out in, roughly, the last 5 years, then chances are there will be a built in webcam, that usually sits smack bang in the middle, but above your laptop's screen.

I wouldn't suggest ripping it out with your bare hands Wink

you can usually disable it through the "control panel" section of your computer. Or you can simply uninstall the software that fuels it.

If you have one of those old school PCs, though, you don't have to worry. If you want a webcam, however, you have to go out and buy one which can be connected via a USB cord.

oh right.. the on ly thing new here is my fridge... no thats not true this year new hot water service new washing machine.

so this computer about 8 years old.. as you can see I dont update very often only when they are on their knees...its not a laptop..I am amazed how everyone needs everything at their fingertips these days...when the grandkids come over they find this place almost medievil...

I have to wind the windows up in my car... they cant believe it..

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself Reply #26 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 7:23pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:59pm: Put a tiny piece of black tape over the camera lens - fixed. you are a genius bobs.. I have said that for along time.
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Reply #27 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 7:38pm

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

You have to remember that if all people were trustworthy, there wouldn't be a need for surveillance.

Like cods said, you don't have to worry about it if you have nothing to hide. I understand the right to privacy though... for instance, experienced computer buffs have technology that enables them to access your webcam and look into it, viewing your end from theirs. This sort of thing makes me angry, as well as hackers in general. Simple solution to the webcam thing, though: disable it. I don't have any reason to have it on, I don't have family/friends overseas to communicate with, etc.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when they hack into ozpol.... Wink

my emails are just as boring..its hard to believe so many dull uninteresting people out there...makes me glad I am not a hacker or understand anything about this bloody thing..

whats a webcam? can I rip it off or do I have to click
usb.. whatever that is...

if anyone is watching me free.. then good luck to them... watching paint dry would be more exhilarating

If you own a laptop that has come out in, roughly, the last 5 years, then chances are there will be a built in webcam, that usually sits smack bang in the middle, but above your laptop's screen.

I wouldn't suggest ripping it out with your bare hands Wink

you can usually disable it through the "control panel" section of your computer. Or you can simply uninstall the software that fuels it.

If you have one of those old school PCs, though, you don't have to worry. If you want a webcam, however, you have to go out and buy one which can be connected via a USB cord.

oh right.. the on ly thing new here is my fridge... no thats not true this year new hot water service new washing machine.

so this computer about 8 years old.. as you can see I dont update very often only when they are on their knees...its not a laptop..I am amazed how everyone needs everything at their fingertips these days...when the grandkids come over they find this place almost medievil...

I have to wind the windows up in my car... they cant believe it..

I may be young but I'm pretty medieval compared to most people my age.

For instance, I own a Nokia C2 mobile phone. No touch screen, fancy apps, etc.

I only own the computer I have now because the last one pood itself. Your computer is doing quite well for 8 years, probably built to last where as this laptop I have will probably be lucky to make it to 3.

I like to keep it as basic as possible. My brother owns 2 tablets, a laptop, iPod, 2 iPhones etc (all Apple products) where I only see the need for two of those things.

Sir Bobby -- great idea, though certain kinds of people would say "why should I have to do that? It's my God-given right not to have to do that."

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Because everything would be what it isn't.
And contrary-wise - what it is, it wouldn't be.
And what it wouldn't be, it would.
You see?

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Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself
Reply #28 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 7:41pm

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

Quote:

Fear makes money. In a world that is run on money, I don't believe so. Sadly.

In some ways we play into terrorists hands by making
our country a more fearful place full of Govt. spying etc.

Watch the repeat of 4 Corners tonight:

Quote:

Four Corners
Privacy Lost (Repeat)

11.35pm - 12.21am
ABC
Tonight

How governments use internet providers to spy on you.

I missed it last night.

hilarious bobby...

do you look at your shopping docket??..every detail listed even how much GST you paid.... do you know your supermarket is watching you?????...

guess what not just your supermarket but any supermarket..you pop into your local all nighter and your usual supermarket knows about it..if you use your card....

we are being watched 24/7.. do you do your banking paying bills on the net???.....

should you be afraid......well I dont do anything wrong.. so no ... but I cant speak for my neighbours.... if they are buying up bags of fertiliser..I would much rather someone in authority knew about it...

its a two edged sword bobby... look on the positive side..

And there you have it. Cods, the malleable material from which to build your 1984

sparticus we have had that since they invented SPIES.. do you know how many shops have little cameras recording you going in and out.. I bet you dont...pubs clubs all had them for years.....I think even brothels have them... I wouldnt know..but they are with us cameras I mean 1984....

and I bet there isnt one of us.. who if they were bashed and robbed and it was caught on camera and used to convict the mugger

would not be grateful for that spying machine....

Two things. First, you forgot to mention that they also have them in prison. In fact that's where surveillance camera's started. In prison, to watch criminals and make sure they never put a foot wrong or get close to putting a foot wrong. 1984 and North Korea could never be possible without shortsighted frightened people like you making excuses for every incremental change to our rights until we end up being little more then battery hens that they keep under watch 24/7. Secondly, you are grateful for spying machines because you dont have the courage to face life and are happy to sign away your independence and dignity and have nanny take care of you. Well I'm not. And don't forget to swear allegiance to the dear leader this morning because we're watching you.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111582 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself Reply #29 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 7:49pm Quote: Sir Bobby -- great idea, though certain kinds of people would say "why should I have to do that? It's my God-given right not to have to do that. Because you can never be sure that you are not being spied upon. You have no control over the operating system of your Windows PC.
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