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Reply #60 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:20pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:11pm:

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So how does one go about conducting proof of a mental illness? Would there be brain scans, etc?
If they come to the conclusion you're no longer a threat, what happens next? Are they set free?
Do you think there's a possibility that people out there would feign mental illness to avoid harsher punishments?

No real idea. I guess they get a few shrinks and psychologists to assess the person - experts assigned by either the court or the prosecution.
You're assuming that getting sent to a psych institution is a lesser punishment.
Yes, they are usually set free when found to be no longer a threat.

Sure, there's a possibility that people feign mental illness - and it happens, but it's far less frequent than what you'd think - with even less frequency of success.

I once visited a friend in a mental ward... it seems much nicer than jail. But I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean it's the same everywhere.

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: personal abuse of me Reply #61 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:30pm Quote: I once visited a friend in a mental ward... it seems much nicer than jail The mental ward they go to is usually part of the jail - or a special psych institution for criminals - although I doubt whether they still exist in these "cost cutting/cost-benefit analysis/show a surplus" days.
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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: personal abuse of me Reply #62 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 6:43am It seems that our "justice" system has simply lost its way, or perhaps never had its way in the first place. The crime and punishment system is not at all about justice and very much all about money - that is what is reflected in the cases linked - money simply buys a different view on what is just...
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Reply #63 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:26am

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

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It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty.

I think you've got an incorrect perception of our court system and I don't think you're aware of what the conviction rates are in our courts.

For violent crime, it's well over 80% - for something like homicide then over 90%.
Far less than 1% get off on a technicality. Way, way less than 1% get an acquittal based on something like temporary insanity.

The only exception is for sexual assault where the majority of cases end in acquittal.

These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901.

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These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901.

I hope this is because they are getting more guilty people and not that more of the innocent are being convicted and punished more harshly.

Very often when you see numbers skew the cause is of concern. Have they got better at catching guilty people or just better at convicting people who are not guilty?

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: personal abuse of me Reply #64 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:28am I don't mind the personal abuse ~ it's the deliberate and constant vandalising of threads by the usual Gang of Five that is finally wearing me down and having me look elsewhere for my posting activities.
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Reply #65 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:41am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

I don't mind the personal abuse ~ it's the deliberate and constant vandalising of threads by the usual Gang of Five that is finally wearing me down and having me look elsewhere for my posting activities.

I can sympathise with you Herbert. There's nothing worse than seeing a good thread being trashed. Some of us put thought into our posts and then they get lost amongst the litter.

Maybe we should start posting our political views in the member run boards. You could change the name of your forum to Political Cats and Critters. Strictly political threads could be separated and you could have complete control over the posts.

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Reply #66 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 8:33am

mantra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

I can sympathise with you Herbert. There's nothing worse than seeing a good thread being trashed. Some of us put thought into our posts and then they get lost amongst the litter.

Maybe we should start posting our political views in the member run boards. You could change the name of your forum to Political Cats and Critters. Strictly political threads could be separated and you could have complete control over the posts.

That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed.

I'll explore that idea, Lady Mantra.

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Reply #67 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 1:50pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed.

As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile.

As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course.

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Reply #68 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:23pm

mantra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed.

As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile.

As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course.

I visited "the tavern" forum and read something, or what my impression was, of people on a different forum "political animal" also owned by freediver, supposedly imitating members from this forum and "trolling" as well as identity hacking and a bunch of other stuff.

I laughed. I couldn't comment because A.G the moderator there, closed the threads, within reason, because she seems to be having the same problems as what you guys are talking about.

The only place I can seem to manage to have a mature discussion , ironically, is the Spirituality and Fringe forums, though the Fringe forum isn't very popular. That's probably a good thing though.

Yes, it's very sad that the "internet warriors" feel the need to virtually manifest their true natures in a place where they can remain anonymous, because they are also cowards. We should pity them, really. But there will come a time where the internet will be censored and won't allow anybody to say what they think -- because of this minority of cowards, even people who have good intentions and want to discuss rather than abuse will be treated as such. It's the same pattern -- the minority will ruin it for everybody else.

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Reply #69 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:37pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

mantra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed.

As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile.

As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course.

I visited "the tavern" forum and read something, or what my impression was, of people on a different forum "political animal" also owned by freediver, supposedly imitating members from this forum and "trolling" as well as identity hacking and a bunch of other stuff.

I laughed. I couldn't comment because A.G the moderator there, closed the threads, within reason, because she seems to be having the same problems as what you guys are talking about.

The only place I can seem to manage to have a mature discussion , ironically, is the Spirituality and Fringe forums, though the Fringe forum isn't very popular. That's probably a good thing though.

Yes, it's very sad that the "internet warriors" feel the need to virtually manifest their true natures in a place where they can remain anonymous, because they are also cowards. We should pity them, really. But there will come a time where the internet will be censored and won't allow anybody to say what they think -- because of this minority of cowards, even people who have good intentions and want to discuss rather than abuse will be treated as such. It's the same pattern -- the minority will ruin it for everybody else.

It is not owned by Freediver. It has been a gypsy forum for decades, owned by the Members, merely presently hosted by freediver....something he volunteered to do a couple of years ago.

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Reply #70 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:44pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

mantra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed.

As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile.

As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course.

I visited "the tavern" forum and read something, or what my impression was, of people on a different forum "political animal" also owned by freediver, supposedly imitating members from this forum and "trolling" as well as identity hacking and a bunch of other stuff.

I laughed. I couldn't comment because A.G the moderator there, closed the threads, within reason, because she seems to be having the same problems as what you guys are talking about.

The only place I can seem to manage to have a mature discussion , ironically, is the Spirituality and Fringe forums, though the Fringe forum isn't very popular. That's probably a good thing though.

Yes, it's very sad that the "internet warriors" feel the need to virtually manifest their true natures in a place where they can remain anonymous, because they are also cowards. We should pity them, really. But there will come a time where the internet will be censored and won't allow anybody to say what they think -- because of this minority of cowards, even people who have good intentions and want to discuss rather than abuse will be treated as such. It's the same pattern -- the minority will ruin it for everybody else.

It is not owned by Freediver. It has been a gypsy forum for decades, owned by the Members, merely presently hosted by freediver....something he volunteered to do a couple of years ago.

I apologise, I've seen people state that it's owned by FD.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39729 Gender:	Re: personal abuse of me Reply #71 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:57pm Quote: I apologise, I've seen people state that it's owned by FD. No worries - I have seen those posts as well. Thought I'd take this opportunity to correct that developing error, to nip it in the bud.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 23117 ACT Gender:	Re: personal abuse of me Reply #72 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:06pm That was most likely me Freedumb, as I thought he was! Oops !
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Freedumb Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1101 WA Gender:	Re: personal abuse of me Reply #73 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:09pm I can understand how it could be misconstrued, though.
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Reply #74 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:27pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

mantra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed.

As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile.

As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course.

I visited "the tavern" forum and read something, or what my impression was, of people on a different forum "political animal" also owned by freediver, supposedly imitating members from this forum and "trolling" as well as identity hacking and a bunch of other stuff.

I laughed. I couldn't comment because A.G the moderator there, closed the threads, within reason, because she seems to be having the same problems as what you guys are talking about.

The only place I can seem to manage to have a mature discussion , ironically, is the Spirituality and Fringe forums, though the Fringe forum isn't very popular. That's probably a good thing though.

Yes, it's very sad that the "internet warriors" feel the need to virtually manifest their true natures in a place where they can remain anonymous, because they are also cowards. We should pity them, really. But there will come a time where the internet will be censored and won't allow anybody to say what they think -- because of this minority of cowards, even people who have good intentions and want to discuss rather than abuse will be treated as such. It's the same pattern -- the minority will ruin it for everybody else.

It is not owned by Freediver. It has been a gypsy forum for decades, owned by the Members, merely presently hosted by freediver....something he volunteered to do a couple of years ago.

I apologise, I've seen people state that it's owned by FD.

Technically it is owned by Freediver. He pays the fees to host it alongside OzPol.

The difference is that PA has elections for the Admin position. One was held recently, as you know, because yours was one of the many names from OzPol (either real or cloned) who went over to vote for aussie ... then immediately left

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