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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Coal seam Gas is safe - Govt report Reply #15 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:34pm ...Lobo wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:19pm: Define 'appropriate'...... it's appropriate..as long as it makes money and provides jobs Just like poker machines
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Reply #16 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:35pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Actually self regulation in natural gas extraction is just as good as/ and often better than - statutory requirements.

The industry has been consolidating on extraction techniques and found that by shutting off deep dive valves and pumping all of it through 2 specific channels - we get both more gas and also the natural seepage rates reduce down to negligable amounts - certainly comparable to when the process first began large production.

I'd not do down self-regulation smithy, its certainly not companies doing what they like. The industry has very high standards or safety and public concern.

Sarcasm re: the above post taken for granted, of course

It better be

or I'll post possibly hundreds of reports re: the dangers of CSG/fracking

and the total lack of accountability demonstrated by those at the profit end

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Reply #17 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:35pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Actually self regulation in natural gas extraction is just as good as/ and often better than - statutory requirements.

The industry has been consolidating on extraction techniques and found that by shutting off deep dive valves and pumping all of it through 2 specific channels - we get both more gas and also the natural seepage rates reduce down to negligable amounts - certainly comparable to when the process first began large production.

I'd not do down self-regulation smithy, its certainly not companies doing what they like. The industry has very high standards or safety and public concern.

Which is why it being blocked and investigated. Fracking does not contain leakage. Leakage has environment and health issues.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 22337 ACT Gender:	Re: Coal seam Gas is safe - Govt report Reply #18 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:42pm Maybe the first site should be around Albion Park / Dapto area so Swaggie can supervise it.
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Reply #19 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:44pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Actually self regulation in natural gas extraction is just as good as/ and often better than - statutory requirements.

The industry has been consolidating on extraction techniques and found that by shutting off deep dive valves and pumping all of it through 2 specific channels - we get both more gas and also the natural seepage rates reduce down to negligable amounts - certainly comparable to when the process first began large production.

I'd not do down self-regulation smithy, its certainly not companies doing what they like. The industry has very high standards or safety and public concern.

I respect but am also wary of your experience/involvement within the industry.

I note several buzz words within your post.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:29pm:

natural seepage rates reduce down to negligable amounts

Is it NATURAL SEEPAGE or is the SEEPAGE due to the drilling & if it due to the drilling how can it be natural.

Of course the buzz word is NATURAL.

And what is NEGLIGIBLE?

Another Buzz word designed to hide the truth.

Much like "Sharing" is the Buzz word in my industry, I've tried but cannot find a version online to link, but suffice to say the "SHARING" economy is about getting around government regulation.

Like I said EVERY company has Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:29pm:

high standards or safety and public concern

Just as long as those aspirations don't cost money.

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Reply #20 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:53pm

Yes it is seepage due to drilling of course, everybody knows and accepts that.

The seepage wouldn't occur if we didn't drill for the gas no question - but unfortunately if you want the rainbow you have to have a little bit of rain - thats just how it is.

I won't go into the whole notion of why do we engage in fracking - that's a much wider topic and not one for here, though I would add that we, the royal "we" here as in the whole world face colossal demands for energy in the next century and we have to find ways to ensure we can deliver that.

Fracking is one of those ways - the question then is to make it as safe for extraction (eg for workers preventing flare ups and rush flamewalls), for people who live near the sites and for the environment as a whole.

Seepage rates are down and it'd be nice to see them down further, thats in everyone's interest.

But regarding the point on regulation.
Industry actually gets things done. Self regulation does work because the industry needs it to work, it lives the processes, it knows what needs to change and the public backlash if it doesnt are hugely damaging.

Statutory public sector regulation?
Hold an inquiry where everyone pi$$es in each other's pockets, nobody has any balls to make a decision and even when they do its left up to some Minister with zero industry knowledge or experience who has only ever worked in the public sector their whole life....

Public regulation usually ain't worth the paper its written on. Speak to the guys actually on the ground is my ethos in life.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Coal seam Gas is safe - Govt report Reply #21 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:55pm Every venture has its risks....
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Coal seam Gas is safe - Govt report Reply #22 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:56pm Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:42pm: Maybe the first site should be around Albion Park / Dapto area so Swaggie can supervise it. That'd be fracking great....
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Reply #23 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 3:42pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:53pm:

Yes it is seepage due to drilling of course, everybody knows and accepts that.

Then rather than natural seepage start using the term "Seepage due to drilling" & see how many fans that wins.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:53pm:

but unfortunately if you want the rainbow you have to have a little bit of rain

LOL you're good, another analogy that brings to mind pleasant thoughts.

Most use the analogy about omlettes and eggs, but in this case we want no one thinking of breakages do we Wink

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:53pm:

whole world face colossal demands for energy in the next century and we have to find ways to ensure we can deliver that.

And yet Dirty is preferred to Clean.

As you say BOTH require R&D to find ways to ensure you can deliver that.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:53pm:

But regarding the point on regulation.
Industry actually gets things done. Self regulation does work because the industry needs it to work, it lives the processes, it knows what needs to change and the public backlash if it doesnt are hugely damaging.

I see your point but remain skeptical

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:53pm:

Statutory public sector regulation?
Hold an inquiry where everyone pi$$es in each other's pockets, nobody has any balls to make a decision and even when they do its left up to some Minister with zero industry knowledge or experience who has only ever worked in the public sector their whole life....

Totally agree

What is the answer, who knows, ant ex industry with hands on is accused of bias, & as we see time & time again pencil pushers have no idea of reality.

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Reply #24 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 3:43pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Lots of cash to be made and jobs to create. Sharpen those drills.....

It would seem that is the ONLY reason to do anything these days.

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John Robertson declared The Northern Rivers a CSG free zone under a NSW state Labor government only yesterday, goodby LNP in the North coast.
Even the state Libs don't have the balls to let CSG infect our waterways, the only people that support are the dipsh it's in the city that hate farmers and want to import food instead of eating home grown. 99 percent of farmers here refuse to accept it, as they should, they. Know if you infect your water you kill your crops and animals no surprise swaggy is not bright enough to understand that. Funny how the loonies grasp hold of one outcome while they ignore the hundred that disagree, must be a loony rightard voter. Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 4:46pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:53pm:

Yes it is seepage due to drilling of course, everybody knows and accepts that.

The seepage wouldn't occur if we didn't drill for the gas no question - but unfortunately if you want the rainbow you have to have a little bit of rain - thats just how it is.

I won't go into the whole notion of why do we engage in fracking - that's a much wider topic and not one for here, though I would add that we, the royal "we" here as in the whole world face colossal demands for energy in the next century and we have to find ways to ensure we can deliver that.

Fracking is one of those ways - the question then is to make it as safe for extraction (eg for workers preventing flare ups and rush flamewalls), for people who live near the sites and for the environment as a whole.

Seepage rates are down and it'd be nice to see them down further, thats in everyone's interest.

But regarding the point on regulation.
Industry actually gets things done. Self regulation does work because the industry needs it to work, it lives the processes, it knows what needs to change and the public backlash if it doesnt are hugely damaging.

Statutory public sector regulation?
Hold an inquiry where everyone pi$$es in each other's pockets, nobody has any balls to make a decision and even when they do its left up to some Minister with zero industry knowledge or experience who has only ever worked in the public sector their whole life....

Public regulation usually ain't worth the paper its written on. Speak to the guys actually on the ground is my ethos in life.

Correction drilling not allow seepage as the bore hole is non porous or lined. Fracking allows gasses to escape through the rocks that were once solid. Fracking occurs to gather more gas than is accessible by drilling alone. Drilling is a controlled state, fracking is do it and see what happens!

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Coal seam Gas is safe - Govt report Reply #26 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 4:52pm Once again the only solution the Conservatives have is to completely use up every ounce of fossil fuel....lets leave absolutely nothing for future generations ..f@cking vandals
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Reply #27 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 5:06pm

adelcrow wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Once again the only solution the Conservatives have is to completely use up every ounce of fossil fuel....lets leave absolutely nothing for future generations ..f@cking vandals

Coal, Coalition and Conservatives all begin with C!

Australians have a another C word for the likes of them!

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Reply #28 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 5:14pm

When we have mined every ounce of fossil fuel, burnt it and sent the pollution into the atmosphere...what then?...What will be left for future generations?

Millions and millions and millions of years worth of stored energy burnt in just over 100 years..

Yep....Conservatives are nothing but short sighted vandals.

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Reply #29 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 5:14pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Actually self regulation in natural gas extraction is just as good as/ and often better than - statutory requirements.

The industry has been consolidating on extraction techniques and found that by shutting off deep dive valves and pumping all of it through 2 specific channels - we get both more gas and also the natural seepage rates reduce down to negligable amounts - certainly comparable to when the process first began large production.

I'd not do down self-regulation smithy, its certainly not companies doing what they like. The industry has very high standards or safety and public concern.

CSG is safe pre se, but only when proper EXTERNAL regulation and monitoring is done. And what many of you could do well is to go a proper industry course and find out exactly what CSG is and how it operates. Most of the nonsense you get from Lock the Gate and others is opinion without information.

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