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Reply #45 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:13am
 
Yadda wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:05am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 12:16am:
moses wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
An islamic war waged by true muslims against unbelievers and hypocritical muslims.



As usual you tell only the half of the story that reinforces your prejudices, Moses.   Jihad has multiple meanings.  It can mean a personal religious struggle or a collective militant religious struggle or even war.


It all depends on the context.  Roll Eyes

Yeah, its a struggle,        .........against "those who reject Faith" [because they] "Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan"


Just one definition, amongst several, Y.   Roll Eyes

Cherry-picking like you do is dishonest research, you realise?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #46 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:25am
 
Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 1:26pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
[quote]..........The media-shy Mr Mehicevic is considered a cult figure among followers. Haider was friends with many at the centre, which has about 30 members. Its speakers preach a radical interpretation of Islam and is known for its hostility to the West and support for radical jihadist causes...


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/terror-suspect-numan-haider-mourned-...




Just shows what tabloid trash propaganda the Australian has become.

Other media reports had said that Numan had left the al-Furqan group for some time.

It was Australian newspapers that were publishing articles saying that Australian Muslims were ordered to kill Australian by Islamic State. Numan was possibly radicalised by Australian newspapers.




perhaps if you put up these other media reports we would then have an all round view of what every journalists interpretation of the truth is???..

I for one havent studied every report on this subject and unless one is johnny on the spot..

yes we do only have the media to rely on to report what is happening in our world every day.
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Reply #47 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:33am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 12:16am:
moses wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
An islamic war waged by true muslims against unbelievers and hypocritical muslims.



As usual you tell only the half of the story that reinforces your prejudices, Moses.   Jihad has multiple meanings.  It can mean a personal religious struggle or a collective militant religious struggle or even war.  It all depends on the context.   Roll Eyes



it also depends on the interpretation of the good word...like HATE and LOVE...

some folks are taught strapping a bomb to their chest and blowing themselves and many others up...is an act of true LOVE.they will receive divine rewards in heaven...Allah will LOVE them..

its all in the interpretation..
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Reply #48 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:59am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:13am:
Yadda wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:05am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 12:16am:
moses wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
An islamic war waged by true muslims against unbelievers and hypocritical muslims.



As usual you tell only the half of the story that reinforces your prejudices, Moses.   Jihad has multiple meanings.  It can mean a personal religious struggle or a collective militant religious struggle or even war.


It all depends on the context.  Roll Eyes

Yeah, its a struggle,        .........against "those who reject Faith" [because they] "Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan"


Just one definition, amongst several, Y.   Roll Eyes

Cherry-picking like you do is dishonest research, you realise?   Roll Eyes





Really ?


OK, lets do some research about 'jihad', on

Sheik Google;
Jihad is the pinnacle of ISLAM


Sheik Google;
Jihad operations


Sheik Google;
rape Jihad


Sheik Google;
Jihad, personal religious struggle

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #49 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 3:17pm
 
Hey Yadda!  Here is a good definition of Jihad.  How about you use it?

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Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ ǧihād [dʒiˈhæːd]), is an Islamic term referring to a religious duty of Muslims. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning "struggle" or "resisting". A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen. The word jihad appears frequently in the Quran,[1][2] often in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)".[3][4][5]

Muslims and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Within the context of the classical Islamic law, it refers to struggle against those who do not believe in the Islamic God (Allah) and do not acknowledge the submission to Muslims,[6] and so is often translated as "Holy War",[7][8][9] although this term is controversial.[10] According to the Dictionary of Islam[3] and Islamic historian Bernard Lewis, in the large majority of cases jihad has a military meaning.[11] Javed Ghamidi states that there is consensus amongst Islamic scholars that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against wrong doers.[12] It was generally supposed that the order for a general war could only be given by the Caliph (an office that was claimed by the Ottoman sultans), but Muslims who did not acknowledge the spiritual authority of the Caliphate (which has been vacant since 1923)—such as non-Sunnis and non-Ottoman Muslim states—always looked to their own rulers for the proclamation of a jihad. There has been in fact no universal warfare by Muslims on non-believers since the early caliphate. Some proclaimed Jihad by claiming themselves as mahdi, e.g. the Sudanese Mahommed Ahmad in 1882.[13]

Others have given the word wider definitions. Many observers—both Muslim[14] and non-Muslim[15]—talk of jihad having two meanings: an inner spiritual struggle—the "greater jihad"; and an outer physical struggle against the enemies of Islam—the "lesser jihad"[3][16]—which may take a violent or non-violent form.[17]

Jihad is an important religious duty for Muslims. A minority among the Sunni scholars sometimes refer to this duty as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status.[18] In Twelver Shi'a Islam, however, Jihad is one of the ten Practices of the Religion.[19]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad]

So, doesn't it fit your bigoted viewpoint?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #50 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:22pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 3:17pm:
Hey Yadda!  Here is a good definition of Jihad.  How about you use it?

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Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ ǧihād [dʒiˈhæːd]), is an Islamic term referring to a religious duty of Muslims. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning "struggle" or "resisting". A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen. The word jihad appears frequently in the Quran,[1][2] often in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)".[3][4][5]

Muslims and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Within the context of the classical Islamic law, it refers to struggle against those who do not believe in the Islamic God (Allah) and do not acknowledge the submission to Muslims,[6] and so is often translated as "Holy War",[7][8][9] although this term is controversial.[10] According to the Dictionary of Islam[3] and Islamic historian Bernard Lewis, in the large majority of cases jihad has a military meaning.[11] Javed Ghamidi states that there is consensus amongst Islamic scholars that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against wrong doers.[12] It was generally supposed that the order for a general war could only be given by the Caliph (an office that was claimed by the Ottoman sultans), but Muslims who did not acknowledge the spiritual authority of the Caliphate (which has been vacant since 1923)—such as non-Sunnis and non-Ottoman Muslim states—always looked to their own rulers for the proclamation of a jihad. There has been in fact no universal warfare by Muslims on non-believers since the early caliphate. Some proclaimed Jihad by claiming themselves as mahdi, e.g. the Sudanese Mahommed Ahmad in 1882.[13]

Others have given the word wider definitions. Many observers—both Muslim[14] and non-Muslim[15]—talk of jihad having two meanings: an inner spiritual struggle—the "greater jihad"; and an outer physical struggle against the enemies of Islam—the "lesser jihad"[3][16]—which may take a violent or non-violent form.[17]

Jihad is an important religious duty for Muslims. A minority among the Sunni scholars sometimes refer to this duty as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status.[18] In Twelver Shi'a Islam, however, Jihad is one of the ten Practices of the Religion.[19]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad]

So, doesn't it fit your bigoted viewpoint?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin


Do you even read your links...lmao

from your link under Origins-a list of expeditions from profit Mo, was the first one highway robbery to relieve muslims from poverty, does #32 the invasion of Banu Qurayza say muslims beheaded 600-900 jewish men and 1 woman?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad
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Reply #51 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:29pm
 
What do they have to do with understanding the definition of the word?  The source acknowledges that "Jihad" can have a martial meaning.   Do you acknowledge that it can also have a spiritual meaning?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #52 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 5:10pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
What do they have to do with understanding the definition of the word?  The source acknowledges that "Jihad" can have a martial meaning.   Do you acknowledge that it can also have a spiritual meaning?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Define spiritual.

Quote:
The profit said-
Whoever dies without having fought or thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy.
Sahih hadith-sunnah.com/nasai/25/13


There are many verses where Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy says the hypocrites will burn for all eternity in the hellfire
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Reply #53 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 5:18pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
What do they have to do with understanding the definition of the word?  The source acknowledges that "Jihad" can have a martial meaning.   Do you acknowledge that it can also have a spiritual meaning?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



You are a freaking genious! Words are used metaphorically?? What an insight!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptual_metaphor








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Reply #54 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 7:27pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 5:18pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
What do they have to do with understanding the definition of the word?  The source acknowledges that "Jihad" can have a martial meaning.   Do you acknowledge that it can also have a spiritual meaning?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



You are a freaking genious! Words are used metaphorically?? What an insight!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptual_metaphor





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Words give us power, for good and for evil.

They open up concepts, to our consciousness.

Powerful stuff/things!     ....words, and their meanings.

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Reply #55 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 9:28pm
 
What a shame you and your companions continually misuse them, Y.   Roll Eyes
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