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Question: Why are Muslims alienated?
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They find themselves rejected by society ?    
  2 (22.2%)
They are the dregs of the Muslim community?    
  1 (11.1%)
It's all Islam's fault!    
  2 (22.2%)
None of the above, it's too complex!    
  3 (33.3%)
Undecided    
  1 (11.1%)




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Reply #45 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 10:26pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 10:18pm:
We give Indonesia over $10 million per week so the Indonesians can build Islamic schools,at the same time we are cutting education funding in Australia.


You want to influence Indonesian society, Baron, you have to pay to do so...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #46 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 1:39am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:34pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:24pm:
I haven't looked into the details of any of them, and doubt you are familiar with many. I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education. It is Islam that causes them to become terrorists, not poverty.


I'd suggest wealth has little to do with it, both FD and G.   I'd suggest it is feelings of alienation.   Young people, feeling rejected by their families and the wider, non-Muslim community, fitting into neither. Their families feel they are not Muslim enough, the wider community too Muslim.   Radical Islam offers them shelter, certainty and a feeling of belonging and community, just as any youth gang does.   We've seen similar patterns in other immigrant communities when their kids have been drawn to youth gangs.  The major difference is that whereas non-Muslim youth gangs offer vicarious excitement through minor crime and perhaps drug dealing, radical Islam offers them excitement through the possibility of Martyrdom.

FD you and your ilk are part of the problem, not the solution.   You help and reject and alienate Muslims because of your prejudice and persecution.  You help drive them into the arms of the radicals.   Roll Eyes

this is unmitigated crap.
they are too muslim for the wider Australian community - so they become even more muslim, even more f*ked in the head. And we drive them to it because we would like them, instead, to assimilate to us.  So now they are TOO muslim even for their own families. But Islam has nothing to do with it, it’s my fault for saying they should turn their backs on Islam completely. THAT makes them want to kill and die for Islam. I reject a creed that turns people into suicidal and homicidal bastards but that’s worse in Brain’s eyes than actually being those murdering bastards.
You are completely unmoored, Brain.
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Reply #47 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:14am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:24pm:
I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education.


I know that - which is why I made it clear I am only talking about Australian terrorists. Time and time again these people come from the same demographic - lower class urban, often in a cycle of crime and poverty. From everything I have seen, the bozos joining Syria are just more of the same.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #48 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 9:31am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:14am:
freediver wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:24pm:
I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education.


I know that - which is why I made it clear I am only talking about Australian terrorists. Time and time again these people come from the same demographic - lower class urban, often in a cycle of crime and poverty. From everything I have seen, the bozos joining Syria are just more of the same.

This is simply agit-prop. The co-sponsor of the recent outreach bbq was the wealthy father of one of those bozos.
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Reply #49 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 9:38am
 
As I recall that guy had been diagnosed with a mental illness and had been involved in drugs and drug crime.
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Reply #50 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 10:25am
 
One one hand, we have Brian with a fairly comprehensive and logical explanation why Muslim youth become alienated.  On the other, we have Gandalf with a fairly simplistic but still logical explanation.  Finally we have Soren with his bigotry and prejudice.

I know which one I pick.  Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Poll added.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #52 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 1:10pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 9:08pm:
Do we give Islamic schools money?


Our "secular" state gives money to all religious schools. However John Howard ensured that some Christian Brethren schools would get more funding than schools of other sects.

Tony Abbott has ensured that federal funding will be available to religious counsellors (including Muslims) instead of qualified psychologists or secular counsellors.
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Reply #53 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 2:26pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 9:38am:
As I recall that guy had been diagnosed with a mental illness and had been involved in drugs and drug crime.

Sharouf the was the supposed schizophrenic.
The other one, Elomar, comes from a wealthy family.
Disadvantage is a stupid arsecovering excuse, used to evade responsibility.
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Reply #54 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 7:29pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:14am:
freediver wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:24pm:
I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education.


I know that - which is why I made it clear I am only talking about Australian terrorists. Time and time again these people come from the same demographic - lower class urban, often in a cycle of crime and poverty. From everything I have seen, the bozos joining Syria are just more of the same.


What is "everything you have seen"? One case? Two?

|dev|null wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 10:25am:
One one hand, we have Brian with a fairly comprehensive and logical explanation why Muslim youth become alienated.  On the other, we have Gandalf with a fairly simplistic but still logical explanation.  Finally we have Soren with his bigotry and prejudice.

I know which one I pick.  Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


Keep trying Gandalf. Maybe one day you'll match Brian's understanding.
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Reply #55 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:00pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 2:26pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 9:38am:
As I recall that guy had been diagnosed with a mental illness and had been involved in drugs and drug crime.

Sharouf the was the supposed schizophrenic.
The other one, Elomar, comes from a wealthy family.
Disadvantage is a stupid arsecovering excuse, used to evade responsibility.


True, old chap, but if it wasn’t for madness, where would our prestigious University of Balogney graduates be?

Where there was ego, dear boy. Discontent has it’s civilisations.

And I, for one, would die for your right to say it.
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Reply #56 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:13pm
 
Taipan wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 7:42pm:
Don't want them to mix. Just want them to leave our country ASAP.


Oh, I know. Just look at the current Liberal front bench. How many of them went to a mainstream school?

I’m with the Jesuits. Give me a boy until he turns seven, and I’ll show you the man.

Ask the old boy which school he sends his sons to so they don’t have to mix. Still, that’s his right in a Lutheran society.

I, for one, would fight to the death for his right to be a jolly elitist old bore.

We grew here, they flew here. I blame Islam.

Ban them.
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Reply #57 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 7:29pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:14am:
freediver wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:24pm:
I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education.


I know that - which is why I made it clear I am only talking about Australian terrorists. Time and time again these people come from the same demographic - lower class urban, often in a cycle of crime and poverty. From everything I have seen, the bozos joining Syria are just more of the same.


What is "everything you have seen"? One case? Two?


Exactly. What would G know? You have the views of Abu and Falah.

Typical.
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Reply #58 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:45pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:00pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 2:26pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 9:38am:
As I recall that guy had been diagnosed with a mental illness and had been involved in drugs and drug crime.

Sharouf the was the supposed schizophrenic.
The other one, Elomar, comes from a wealthy family.
Disadvantage is a stupid arsecovering excuse, used to evade responsibility.


True, old chap, but if it wasn’t for madness, where would our prestigious University of Balogney graduates be?

Where there was ego, dear boy. Discontent has it’s civilisations.

And I, for one, would die for your right to say it.


You are suffering from fate neurosis, a form of repetition compulsion, PB.
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Reply #59 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 9:49pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 7:29pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:14am:
freediver wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:24pm:
I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education.


I know that - which is why I made it clear I am only talking about Australian terrorists. Time and time again these people come from the same demographic - lower class urban, often in a cycle of crime and poverty. From everything I have seen, the bozos joining Syria are just more of the same.


What is "everything you have seen"? One case? Two?


Exactly. What would G know? You have the views of Abu and Falah.

Typical.


That's a step up from "only one". Now, can you add Malik to the list?
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