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Reply #30 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 12:28pm

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Evidence, not proof. Many Islamic schools have been involved in fraud and scandal recently.

It is not evidence of terrorist funding - but I am glad that you are backpeddling slightly - you stated the terrorist funding as fact at the time.

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Crap. It is the Muslims that require a multinational military response.

I'm talking about the threat from our own muslim community. Crimes are committed on Australian streets by non-muslims every day - by criminals "radicalised" by the same social and economic downward spirals. They are far more of a problem through simple weight of numbers. The only difference between the two types is the outlet (religion), not the root cause of their criminality.

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

It is the fundamental rejection of western values like freedom of speech and freedom of religion that is the problem.

And as usual you have no evidence that mainstream islam in Australia has any problem with freedom of speech or freedom of religion. It is the extremists on the other side, and their spineless apologists like yourself that clearly *DO* have a problem with these two things - in demanding that a particular group be denied their rightful freedoms - such as worship, dress and even exist in their country of residence.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #31 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:04pm

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I'm talking about the threat from our own muslim community. Crimes are committed on Australian streets by non-muslims every day - by criminals "radicalised" by the same social and economic downward spirals. They are far more of a problem through simple weight of numbers.

Muslims make up for their minority status with a brutal head hacking ideology. If anything, Muslims are safer in Australia than the middle east because there are so few fellow Muslims to hack their head off over disagreements about Islam. The link between poverty and terrorism was invented to appease the apologists. It did not exist until Muslims started calling fellow Muslims to kill. Crime, prostitution, drugs use - yes, but terrorism - that takes Islam, not poverty.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50197 At my desk.	Re: Ban all islamic schools...Be an Aussie! Reply #33 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:24pm I haven't looked into the details of any of them, and doubt you are familiar with many. I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education. It is Islam that causes them to become terrorists, not poverty.
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Reply #34 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

I haven't looked into the details of any of them, and doubt you are familiar with many. I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education. It is Islam that causes them to become terrorists, not poverty.

I'd suggest wealth has little to do with it, both FD and G. I'd suggest it is feelings of alienation. Young people, feeling rejected by their families and the wider, non-Muslim community, fitting into neither. Their families feel they are not Muslim enough, the wider community too Muslim. Radical Islam offers them shelter, certainty and a feeling of belonging and community, just as any youth gang does. We've seen similar patterns in other immigrant communities when their kids have been drawn to youth gangs. The major difference is that whereas non-Muslim youth gangs offer vicarious excitement through minor crime and perhaps drug dealing, radical Islam offers them excitement through the possibility of Martyrdom.

FD you and your ilk are part of the problem, not the solution. You help and reject and alienate Muslims because of your prejudice and persecution. You help drive them into the arms of the radicals. Roll Eyes

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Reply #35 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

I haven't looked into the details of any of them, and doubt you are familiar with many. I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education. It is Islam that causes them to become terrorists, not poverty.

I'd suggest wealth has little to do with it, both FD and G. I'd suggest it is feelings of alienation. Young people, feeling rejected by their families and the wider, non-Muslim community, fitting into neither. Their families feel they are not Muslim enough, the wider community too Muslim. Radical Islam offers them shelter, certainty and a feeling of belonging and community, just as any youth gang does. We've seen similar patterns in other immigrant communities when their kids have been drawn to youth gangs. The major difference is that whereas non-Muslim youth gangs offer vicarious excitement through minor crime and perhaps drug dealing, radical Islam offers them excitement through the possibility of Martyrdom.

FD you and your ilk are part of the problem, not the solution. You help and reject and alienate Muslims because of your prejudice and persecution. You help drive them into the arms of the radicals. Roll Eyes

So certain Aussies are the blame for radical Islamists? What a stupid post.

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Reply #36 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 7:31pm

mrkamikaze wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

I haven't looked into the details of any of them, and doubt you are familiar with many. I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education. It is Islam that causes them to become terrorists, not poverty.

I'd suggest wealth has little to do with it, both FD and G. I'd suggest it is feelings of alienation. Young people, feeling rejected by their families and the wider, non-Muslim community, fitting into neither. Their families feel they are not Muslim enough, the wider community too Muslim. Radical Islam offers them shelter, certainty and a feeling of belonging and community, just as any youth gang does. We've seen similar patterns in other immigrant communities when their kids have been drawn to youth gangs. The major difference is that whereas non-Muslim youth gangs offer vicarious excitement through minor crime and perhaps drug dealing, radical Islam offers them excitement through the possibility of Martyrdom.

FD you and your ilk are part of the problem, not the solution. You help and reject and alienate Muslims because of your prejudice and persecution. You help drive them into the arms of the radicals. Roll Eyes

So certain Aussies are the blame for radical Islamists? What a stupid post.

What a stupid reply. Roll Eyes

Certain Aussies certainly contribute to the problem. Are you one? Roll Eyes

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Reply #37 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 8:12pm

One cannot ban all schools be they Catholic, Muslim, Public etc etc etc....

Not all Muslims are head-crunchers, just those that did not make the grades at school seem to be....!

I'm neither Muslim nor a Catholic, but grateful I live in a country I can choose and keep my head.

I did nearly lose my head though, long long time ago when pub bands was the norm on Friday nites, those days are long gone, but we were a gruesome lot, The HeadBangers group.
All you needed was "Substances", a long weekend, a beach nearby and a pub or a pool hall and pinball machines.
We hardly went to school, but got good jobs cos there was plenty then.
It did not matter who you were, there were Turks, Greeks, Italians and the odd Pom or Scott, Male n Female, ying- yang, single mums pension and a caravan out the back, and a V8 Sandman Panel Van, ( with curtains ).

But we all enjoyed one thing in common, "headbanging" to very loud sounds in "African" beat.

There never a word to cause what we see today.

That was "school".

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Reply #38 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 8:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

I haven't looked into the details of any of them, and doubt you are familiar with many. I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education. It is Islam that causes them to become terrorists, not poverty.

I'd suggest wealth has little to do with it, both FD and G. I'd suggest it is feelings of alienation. Young people, feeling rejected by their families and the wider, non-Muslim community, fitting into neither. Their families feel they are not Muslim enough, the wider community too Muslim. Radical Islam offers them shelter, certainty and a feeling of belonging and community, just as any youth gang does. We've seen similar patterns in other immigrant communities when their kids have been drawn to youth gangs. The major difference is that whereas non-Muslim youth gangs offer vicarious excitement through minor crime and perhaps drug dealing, radical Islam offers them excitement through the possibility of Martyrdom.

FD you and your ilk are part of the problem, not the solution. You help and reject and alienate Muslims because of your prejudice and persecution. You help drive them into the arms of the radicals. Roll Eyes

that is nonsense.

how 'muslim' did they families want them to be ?

how 'muslim' do their friends want them to be ?

what has that to do with child brides, money rorted through schools to help terrorists, large scale terror attacks we have topped so far........

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 110982 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ban all islamic schools...Be an Aussie! Reply #39 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 9:31pm I'm getting sick of hearing about Muslims. Why did we bring them here?
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Reply #41 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 10:08pm

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

To be camel jockeys, I believe.

We just brought trouble to our country.

I heard parliament last week:
They were talking about spending over $650 million on
ant-terrorism fighting to be spent by all the police forces.

To me that's just money that we shouldn't have to spend -
especially if we hadn't allowed all these Muslims to come here.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19433 Gender:	Re: Ban all islamic schools...Be an Aussie! Reply #42 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 10:18pm We give Indonesia over $10 million per week so the Indonesians can build Islamic schools,at the same time we are cutting education funding in Australia.
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Reply #43 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 10:23pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

I haven't looked into the details of any of them, and doubt you are familiar with many. I do know that many of the terrorists involved in past attacks overseas grew up in a position of relative privilege and with a good education. It is Islam that causes them to become terrorists, not poverty.

I'd suggest wealth has little to do with it, both FD and G. I'd suggest it is feelings of alienation. Young people, feeling rejected by their families and the wider, non-Muslim community, fitting into neither. Their families feel they are not Muslim enough, the wider community too Muslim. Radical Islam offers them shelter, certainty and a feeling of belonging and community, just as any youth gang does. We've seen similar patterns in other immigrant communities when their kids have been drawn to youth gangs. The major difference is that whereas non-Muslim youth gangs offer vicarious excitement through minor crime and perhaps drug dealing, radical Islam offers them excitement through the possibility of Martyrdom.

FD you and your ilk are part of the problem, not the solution. You help and reject and alienate Muslims because of your prejudice and persecution. You help drive them into the arms of the radicals. Roll Eyes

that is nonsense.

Why? I've pointed out we have seen similar situations in previous immigrant groups. Italian parents wanted their kids to be as Italian as they were, Greek parents wanted their kids to be as Greek as they were, etc., etc. Muslim parents want their kids to be as Muslim as they are but their kids are lured away by the easy Western lifestyle which is more relaxed.

Unfortunately, the surrounding Westernised society finds the kids too Muslim and so they are caught betwixt and between. Radical Islamic groups prey on such adrift kids.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43949	Re: Ban all islamic schools...Be an Aussie! Reply #44 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 10:24pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 9:31pm: I'm getting sick of hearing about Muslims. Why did we bring them here? They were here from ~1788, Bobby.
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They find themselves rejected by society ? 2 (22.2%) They are the dregs of the Muslim community? 1 (11.1%) It's all Islam's fault! 2 (22.2%) None of the above, it's too complex! 3 (33.3%) Undecided 1 (11.1%) Total votes: 9 « Created by: \|dev\|null on: Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:31am »