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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Condemning Terrorism Reply #135 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:43pm Jeezus, Longy is having another faux moral outrage with everybody's favourite whiney poodle, True Blue, yapping in the background.
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Reply #136 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:35pm:

that's the kind of sideshow argument I am talking about. here in Australia - which is what we are talking about - the terrorist threat is well defined and well known. If we stick to the boundaries of the actual problem instead of endless deflections we MIGHT even get a debate worthy of the name.

Well the ONLY terrorist action upon our soil was the Hilton bombing, by Greeks NOT Islamists.

We have, as you say several people arrested for PLANNING activity, which in my book proves our current laws and police both fed and state are working adequately.

Teaspoon the idiot is busy using those 2 jihadists in Britian as an example for more extreme laws, shall we ban cars and outlaw all but plastic cutlery.

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How many terrorists murdered the British soldier in London? Two. How sophisticated was their equipment? A car and some knives. The people arrested here were planning a similar atrocity. Grow up.

How far and exactly what are you prepared to forgo?

And why suddenly is it wrong to question?

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Condemning Terrorism Reply #137 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:47pm Quote: And why suddenly is it wrong to question? 'Cause it's Tony and a Coalition government doing it.
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Reply #138 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:55pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:35pm:

that's the kind of sideshow argument I am talking about. here in Australia - which is what we are talking about - the terrorist threat is well defined and well known. If we stick to the boundaries of the actual problem instead of endless deflections we MIGHT even get a debate worthy of the name.

Well the ONLY terrorist action upon our soil was the Hilton bombing, by Greeks NOT Islamists.

We have, as you say several people arrested for PLANNING activity, which in my book proves our current laws and police both fed and state are working adequately.

Teaspoon the idiot is busy using those 2 jihadists in Britian as an example for more extreme laws, shall we ban cars and outlaw all but plastic cutlery.

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How many terrorists murdered the British soldier in London? Two. How sophisticated was their equipment? A car and some knives. The people arrested here were planning a similar atrocity. Grow up.

How far and exactly what are you prepared to forgo?

And why suddenly is it wrong to question?

BULLSHIT.

Not all terrorist acts are conducted by bombings, nor are they conducted by foreigners!

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Reply #139 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:55pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:35pm:

that's the kind of sideshow argument I am talking about. here in Australia - which is what we are talking about - the terrorist threat is well defined and well known. If we stick to the boundaries of the actual problem instead of endless deflections we MIGHT even get a debate worthy of the name.

Well the ONLY terrorist action upon our soil was the Hilton bombing, by Greeks NOT Islamists.

We have, as you say several people arrested for PLANNING activity, which in my book proves our current laws and police both fed and state are working adequately.

does it? success in policing is half luck anyhow as was the tapping of these peoples phones. but again it would be nice to be debating actual propose laws instead of guesses, all of which are fanciful and inaccurate.

Teaspoon the idiot is busy using those 2 jihadists in Britian as an example for more extreme laws, shall we ban cars and outlaw all but plastic cutlery.

that incident is precisely what the guys here were planning. I think using that as an example is a good one. how could it not be? IM not promoting any specific law but likewise I am not saying no in advance of any detail either.

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How many terrorists murdered the British soldier in London? Two. How sophisticated was their equipment? A car and some knives. The people arrested here were planning a similar atrocity. Grow up.

How far and exactly what are you prepared to forgo?

And why suddenly is it wrong to question?

its never wrong to question, but at the same time the questions need to be both valid and intelligent. that's a rare commodity on here.

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Reply #140 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:58am:

Longweekend believes in the prosperity message:

God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies.

look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron. do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor? want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor?

yes, I have a great car. I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad.

now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live.

But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches -

the same as Hillsong.

You are chasing a false God.

you couldn't even define the prosperity message as ACTUALLY taught by churches (as opposed to a few nutbag loons around the edges).

Caught red handed Longy -
you know all about the prosperity message but
you don't want to discuss it.
I understand it alright & it defines your thinking perfectly.

They never preach this in your church:

Matthew 19 KJV

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20] The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
[21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
[22] But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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Re: Condemning Terrorism
Reply #141 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:58am:

Longweekend believes in the prosperity message:

God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies.

look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron. do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor? want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor?

yes, I have a great car. I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad.

now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live.

But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches -

the same as Hillsong.

You are chasing a false God.

you couldn't even define the prosperity message as ACTUALLY taught by churches (as opposed to a few nutbag loons around the edges).

Caught red handed Longy -
you know all about the prosperity message but
you don't want to discuss it.
I understand it alright & it defines your thinking perfectly.

They never preach this in your church:

Matthew 19 KJV

Quote:

20] The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
[21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
[22] But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

and still you didn't define the prosperity teach you seem to dislike. and as for the passage you quoted, do you realise that has nothing to do with actual money? of course not.

try again, booby

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Re: Condemning Terrorism
Reply #142 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:07pm

It is also valid to understand the WHY?

Look a far as the 2nd generation idiots here, well there's really no excuse but its a well documented phenonem, look at the lebs a few years ago, lazy uneducated fools pinning their angst against anyone or thing except themselves and their poor life choices.

As for those poor souls that actually live in the region which we have either directly or indirectly(through support of 1 faction or another) totally destroyed and made lawless wouldn't you be a bit extreme if you mopped up the remains of your family.

How is bombing them further going to stop young men from turning hateful against us, the bombers?

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Re: Condemning Terrorism
Reply #143 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:58am:

Longweekend believes in the prosperity message:

God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies.

look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron. do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor? want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor?

yes, I have a great car. I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad.

now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live.

But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches -

the same as Hillsong.

You are chasing a false God.

you couldn't even define the prosperity message as ACTUALLY taught by churches (as opposed to a few nutbag loons around the edges).

Caught red handed Longy -
you know all about the prosperity message but
you don't want to discuss it.
I understand it alright & it defines your thinking perfectly.

They never preach this in your church:

Matthew 19 KJV

Quote:

20] The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
[21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
[22] But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

and still you didn't define the prosperity teach you seem to dislike. and as for the passage you quoted, do you realise that has nothing to do with actual money? of course not.

try again, booby

Longy - you have to sell EVERYTHING - give the money to the poor
& only then will you go to heaven.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 22244 ACT Gender:	Re: Condemning Terrorism Reply #144 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:21pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:12pm: Longy - you have to sell EVERYTHING - give the money to the poor & only then will you go to heaven. Nah!! Mad as a meat axe i'd say!! Should be locked up! Rather sad really--quite liked the bloke years ago!!
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Re: Condemning Terrorism
Reply #145 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:22pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:07pm:

It is also valid to understand the WHY?

Look a far as the 2nd generation idiots here, well there's really no excuse but its a well documented phenonem, look at the lebs a few years ago, lazy uneducated fools pinning their angst against anyone or thing except themselves and their poor life choices.

As for those poor souls that actually live in the region which we have either directly or indirectly(through support of 1 faction or another) totally destroyed and made lawless wouldn't you be a bit extreme if you mopped up the remains of your family.

How is bombing them further going to stop young men from turning hateful against us, the bombers?

the middle east has been a warring rat-hole for millennia. nothing ever changes excepts the names and the borders. nothing we do or dont do will change that. Is bombing going th fix the long term? nope. but it will save tens of thousands of lives right now and that's a good enough reason. as for tomorrow? who knows.

or do you suggest we just turn our eyes away from genocide and ignore it? there may not be anyway ti 'win' in the M/E but that is a way to lose our own self-respect and our morality. Even if it is ultimately in vain, doing good is what we are all supposed to do.

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Re: Condemning Terrorism
Reply #146 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:23pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:12pm: