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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Condemning Terrorism Reply #121 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 3:41pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 3:21pm: From what I've read you're actually seeking praise for the current government rather than the condemnation you say you seek. For the recorded I condemn terrorism in all it's forms INCLUDING it's use to further political agendas & distractions. Cannot argue with that!!!
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Reply #122 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 4:44pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 3:21pm:

From what I've read you're actually seeking praise for the current government rather than the condemnation you say you seek.

For the recorded I condemn terrorism in all it's forms INCLUDING it's use to further political agendas & distractions.

the first part is you now unfortunate habit of reading between lines and coming up with things that aren't there.

the second is very true although ironically the exact some thing you accused me of in the first sentence (putting politics above the substance of the question.

well done in shooting your own argument down in flames.

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Reply #123 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 3:21pm:

From what I've read you're actually seeking praise for the current government rather than the condemnation you say you seek.

For the recorded I condemn terrorism in all it's forms INCLUDING it's use to further political agendas & distractions.

the first part is you now unfortunate habit of reading between lines and coming up with things that aren't there.

the second is very true although ironically the exact some thing you accused me of in the first sentence (putting politics above the substance of the question.

well done in shooting your own argument down in flames.

You think?

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you all hate tony abbott. not ONE apologist or ignorer for terrorism is a Liberal. Not one. Not all labor supporters are so ignorant, but a lot are.

You made it about politics from the very 1st post.

And this is just utterly stupid

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list the terrorist attacks that ARENT Islamic. yes, there are a few, but not many hence the word 'virtually'.

You think Terrorism only started 14 years ago?

IRA how many muslims in that

Bader-Meinhof Gang - how many muslims in that

Red Brigade -how many muslims in that

Shining Path - how many muslims in that

Revolutionary Struggle - how many muslims in that

ETA - how many muslims in that

Tamil Tigers - how many muslims in that

KKK - how many muslims in that

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77783 Gender:	Re: Condemning Terrorism Reply #124 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:09pm
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Reply #125 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:58am:

Longweekend believes in the prosperity message:

God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies.

look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron. do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor? want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor?

yes, I have a great car. I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad.

now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live.

But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches -

the same as Hillsong.

You are chasing a false God.

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Reply #126 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:44pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 3:21pm:

From what I've read you're actually seeking praise for the current government rather than the condemnation you say you seek.

For the recorded I condemn terrorism in all it's forms INCLUDING it's use to further political agendas & distractions.

the first part is you now unfortunate habit of reading between lines and coming up with things that aren't there.

the second is very true although ironically the exact some thing you accused me of in the first sentence (putting politics above the substance of the question.

well done in shooting your own argument down in flames.

You think?

yes I do.

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you all hate tony abbott. not ONE apologist or ignorer for terrorism is a Liberal. Not one. Not all labor supporters are so ignorant, but a lot are.

You made it about politics from the very 1st post.

But you don't deny my point that not a single liberal is among the terrorism-denier crowd.

And this is just utterly stupid

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list the terrorist attacks that ARENT Islamic. yes, there are a few, but not many hence the word 'virtually'.

You think Terrorism only started 14 years ago?

the following list is largely FORMER terrorist groups. and I am not stating that every terrorist group is Islamic but the very real facts are that most are. or do you want to deny that?

IRA how many muslims in that

Bader-Meinhof Gang - how many muslims in that

Red Brigade -how many muslims in that

Shining Path - how many muslims in that

Revolutionary Struggle - how many muslims in that

ETA - how many muslims in that

Tamil Tigers - how many muslims in that

KKK - how many muslims in that

what... no terrorist groups from THIS century???

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Reply #127 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:45pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:58am:

Longweekend believes in the prosperity message:

God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies.

look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron. do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor? want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor?

yes, I have a great car. I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad.

now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live.

But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches -

the same as Hillsong.

You are chasing a false God.

you couldn't even define the prosperity message as ACTUALLY taught by churches (as opposed to a few nutbag loons around the edges).

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Reply #128 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 2:53pm:

poor old peccahead. doesn't believe there is any Islamic threat...

Incorrect. I believe there is a very real threat of terrorism from Islamic extremism.

I also believe that these two statements of yours are complete and utter bullshit:

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" Bullshit.

"I looked thru all the terrorist attacks in recent years and they are all Islamic" Bullshit.

Stop telling lies, Longy.

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Reply #129 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:44pm:

what... no terrorist groups from THIS century???

Well again that depends on what you consider a terrorist group.

China considers Tibetians terrorists, do you agree?

Do you define a terrorist group as an organisation outlawed by a government, no matter the government, no matter the circumstances of restience?

Don't misinterperate me, I consider the slaughter of innocents for political advantage aborhant, however innocents are slaughtered by governments everyday.

Is the USA a terrorist organisation?
They have killed 2400 reported(who knows the ACTUAL number) innocent Pakis in 5 years, where's your comdenation of that atrocity?

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-dr...

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Reply #130 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:44pm:

what... no terrorist groups from THIS century???

Well again that depends on what you consider a terrorist group.

China considers Tibetians terrorists, do you agree?

Do you define a terrorist group as an organisation outlawed by a government, no matter the government, no matter the circumstances of restience?

Don't misinterperate me, I consider the slaughter of innocents for political advantage aborhant, however innocents are slaughtered by governments everyday.

Is the USA a terrorist organisation?
They have killed 2400 reported(who knows the ACTUAL number) innocent Pakis in 5 years, where's your comdenation of that atrocity?

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-dr...

defining terrorism is as easy or as hard as you want it to be and largely dependent on whether or not you want a finely-focused debate or one that looks like your typical racism or sexism debate where the word has been defines so widely as to be useless. Im fairly sure you and I share a common definition of terrorism and seeking to define it in a sentence or two will simply encourage the trolls to disagree and further debase the debate.

by the commonly understood meaning of the term, terrorism is AT PRESENT largely but not exclusively Islamic. this is not by way of excusing any other terrorists for whom I have equal disdain but rather accepting a modern reality that that is the case. Pretending that isn't true as a few seem to do or to say Australia isn't a target because we have managed to intercept plots is quite pathetic.

there cannot be a genuine intelligent debate on terrorism on these boards because we have the following types of arguments:

there is not Islamic terrorist threat
the arrests were all a setup by Abbott
ASIO plans death camps
etc etc

It would be notice to find a place where you can have an actual debate on the actual substance of the topic without being overrun by boofheads who haven't even made it to the page of factual honesty yet.

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Reply #131 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:35pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:44pm:

what... no terrorist groups from THIS century???

Well again that depends on what you consider a terrorist group.

China considers Tibetians terrorists, do you agree?

Do you define a terrorist group as an organisation outlawed by a government, no matter the government, no matter the circumstances of restience?

Don't misinterperate me, I consider the slaughter of innocents for political advantage aborhant, however innocents are slaughtered by governments everyday.

Is the USA a terrorist organisation?
They have killed 2400 reported(who knows the ACTUAL number) innocent Pakis in 5 years, where's your comdenation of that atrocity?

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-dr...

that's the kind of sideshow argument I am talking about. here in Australia - which is what we are talking about - the terrorist threat is well defined and well known. If we stick to the boundaries of the actual problem instead of endless deflections we MIGHT even get a debate worthy of the name.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145866 Gender:	Re: Condemning Terrorism Reply #132 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:37pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm: there is not Islamic terrorist threat Nobody has ever said this. Not in this forum, or anywhere else that I've heard. Stop telling lies, Longy.
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Reply #133 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:44pm:

what... no terrorist groups from THIS century???

Well again that depends on what you consider a terrorist group.

China considers Tibetians terrorists, do you agree?

Do you define a terrorist group as an organisation outlawed by a government, no matter the government, no matter the circumstances of restience?

Don't misinterperate me, I consider the slaughter of innocents for political advantage aborhant, however innocents are slaughtered by governments everyday.

Is the USA a terrorist organisation?
They have killed 2400 reported(who knows the ACTUAL number) innocent Pakis in 5 years, where's your comdenation of that atrocity?

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-dr...

defining terrorism is as easy or as hard as you want it to be and largely dependent on whether or not you want a finely-focused debate or one that looks like your typical racism or sexism debate where the word has been defines so widely as to be useless. Im fairly sure you and I share a common definition of terrorism and seeking to define it in a sentence or two will simply encourage the trolls to disagree and further debase the debate.

by the commonly understood meaning of the term, terrorism is AT PRESENT largely but not exclusively Islamic. this is not by way of excusing any other terrorists for whom I have equal disdain but rather accepting a modern reality that that is the case. Pretending that isn't true as a few seem to do or to say Australia isn't a target because we have managed to intercept plots is quite pathetic.

there cannot be a genuine intelligent debate on terrorism on these boards because we have the following types of arguments:

there is not Islamic terrorist threat
the arrests were all a setup by Abbott
ASIO plans death camps
etc etc

It would be notice to find a place where you can have an actual debate on the actual substance of the topic without being overrun by boofheads who haven't even made it to the page of factual honesty yet.

Great to see you have looked up Australian law defining terrorism!

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145866 Gender:	Re: Condemning Terrorism Reply #134 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:39pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm: terrorism is AT PRESENT largely but not exclusively Islamic. Longy: "I looked thru all the terrorist attacks in recent years and they are all* Islamic".* Apology accepted.
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