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Reply #150 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:05pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

Bam wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

(See post for "chart")

You claim to know something about statistics, but this rubbish clearly proves that you don't.

Those are not trend lines calculated from actual data. Those are just lines you've drawn on cherrypicked data points with no explanation as to how you chose those points.

That is how the non–existent pause in AGW got promoted, chop off start and end points as not fitting the “pause.”

Unemployment has at least one, probably two (the last two) suss data points so relying on the graph is folly—thought Longy with his stats knowledge would have known that.

they didn't drop of te END POINT you boofhead. the pause in warming is STILL continuing.

you didn't really go to university, did you?

mmmmm...lets just assume that you did a simple arts degree in uni...aboriginal woman's studies maybe?
Coz the warming trend has not paused..check out what is happening to the planets largest heat sink...the oceans.
Anyway... Abbott, Barnaby and Hockey are living proof that getting a degree is no guarantee of intelligence.

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Reply #151 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.
Cool

Good signs! Cool

backpackers???

you are an idiot.

You are! Grin

if you listened to a bit more than the voices in your head you migh see how silly the above it. if you had ever read history, you would also see how silly you sound. instead... you just sound silliier and sillier

You didn't read much history. Let's have a look at the last two major Revolutions. The last one around 250 years ago, called French revolution, but it was much more than that. It was far reaching. It was the birth of modern democracy. The one before was called "reformation" around 500 years ago. Just a different name. In both cases the people were standing up to the greedy, fat Vatican and royal/upper class that was ripping off/taxing and controlling Europeans all over the continent.

It takes around 250 years for Pluto to circle the sun. Everytime Pluto moves into Capricorn/aquarius, we have a major revolution. That is accurate for the last two revolutions and some astrologists claim that every pluto cycle beforehand triggered a similar scenario. Now, in 2008 Pluto moved into Capricorn, that's when the financial crash started. Pluto will stay in Capricorn until 2022 when it moves into aquarius. We will see the next big one-in-a-quarter millenium-people's revolution within the next decades, but it may start within a few years. Cool

Every revolution in the past was about inequality. And we're exactly in the same situation as we were before the French revolution and before the reformation. The Vatican and Royal/upper class absolutely ripping off and controlling the common people.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #152 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 2:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

i see unemployment going up

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slowing down of the RATE OF INCREASE... how do such otherwise simple concepts elude you?

it wasn't me saying unemployment was going down .... who was that now? wait a minute, it was you .... Grin

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #153 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 2:36pm

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.
Cool

Good signs! Cool

I guess that means they are all going to get real jobs and start paying the lion's share of tax. Huh

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Reply #154 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:56pm

Revolution in Australia means the common, landless people are taking the land back from the filthy, greedy, mega rich land owners. It means people are getting more self sufficient again. It means people will flee the cities and move to the land, because there is no more food in the cities/suburbs...Whole suburbs will become ghost towns...It means medicare/age pension/centrelink will be bankrupt/closed down and people just have to look after themselves and their families. It means government is going to be reduced massively. It means more localization instead of centralization.

And it means civil war and plenty of fighting between the common people and the legionnaires (government police and army)...

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Reply #155 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 4:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

Did I miss something - how do we know that ? Last I seen the result was based on what was measured just as the current measure was ? The current improvement is based on 107,000 part time jobs added in the month?

Has someone identified what happened ?

If there were over 100K new jobs added this explains the improvement then the previous figure must also stand, I still think we need to see several more ABS releases to get an idea of what is going on.

You are still only going back to around March of 2012 which does not cover the three year period you specified.

okay 2.5 years. happy now? YOUR idiotic point was that there was no increase in unemployment under labor from mar 2012 onwards which is provably wrong, but you stuck to it.

I never said that - it is obvious that there was - I said that your 3 year claim was wrong and pointed out that unemployment has only increased under the Liberals.

I said that under Labor unemployment numbers were relatively stable. They dropped to a low of 4.1% and increased during the GFC 2008 to around 5.8% the stimulus quickly seen the numbers drop back to around 5.1% by 2010 and they stayed similar through to 2012 5.1% (that is 4.1% record low in 2008 and at 5.1% in 2012) the second half of 2013 seen it go to around 5.8% and the Liberals have only gone backwards with a range between 5.8% and 6.4%. - now at 6.1 due to 100,000 part time jobs.

Over the previous 2 terms 6 years we got through a GFC with about a 1% impact on unemployment and so far the Liberals have managed almost the same in 12 months.

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Reply #157 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 5:22pm

Well...if Abbott is going to spend taxpayers dollars overseas rather than on local goods and services we're gonna lose even more jobs.

Fancy that...take the money we all worked hard to earn and then hand it to overseas businesses rather than putting it back into our economy.

Yep...thats Abbotts grand plan.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #158 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 5:22pm

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Revolution in Australia means the common, landless people are taking the land back from the filthy, greedy, mega rich land owners. It means people are getting more self sufficient again. It means people will flee the cities and move to the land, because there is no more food in the cities/suburbs...Whole suburbs will become ghost towns...It means medicare/age pension/centrelink will be bankrupt/closed down and people just have to look after themselves and their families. It means government is going to be reduced massively. It means more localization instead of centralization.

And it means civil war and plenty of fighting between the common people and the legionnaires (government police and army)...

describing you as a M O R O N is too polite.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #159 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

Did I miss something - how do we know that ? Last I seen the result was based on what was measured just as the current measure was ? The current improvement is based on 107,000 part time jobs added in the month?

Has someone identified what happened ?

If there were over 100K new jobs added this explains the improvement then the previous figure must also stand, I still think we need to see several more ABS releases to get an idea of what is going on.

You are still only going back to around March of 2012 which does not cover the three year period you specified.

okay 2.5 years. happy now? YOUR idiotic point was that there was no increase in unemployment under labor from mar 2012 onwards which is provably wrong, but you stuck to it.

I never said that - it is obvious that there was - I said that your 3 year claim was wrong and pointed out that unemployment has only increased under the Liberals.

I said that under Labor unemployment numbers were relatively stable. They dropped to a low of 4.1% and increased during the GFC 2008 to around 5.8% the stimulus quickly seen the numbers drop back to around 5.1% by 2010 and they stayed similar through to 2012 5.1% (that is 4.1% record low in 2008 and at 5.1% in 2012) the second half of 2013 seen it go to around 5.8% and the Liberals have only gone backwards with a range between 5.8% and 6.4%. - now at 6.1 due to 100,000 part time jobs.

Over the previous 2 terms 6 years we got through a GFC with about a 1% impact on unemployment and so far the Liberals have managed almost the same in 12 months.

you are incapable of read a graph. most of the above is transparent nonsense. unemployment began its steady rise 18months BEFORE abbott a fact only a fool could deny. the rate of increase has remained steady - not increased. it looks like it may have now peaked. but if I wanted to get even more pedantic, it is well known among economiss that employment is a slow LAGGING indicator where policy changes take a bout a year to affect unemployment. so I can rightly claim that the ENTIRE last 2.5 years of unemployment growth has been the result of labor policies.

now when you want to learn how to read a graph then try again but for the moment you sound like Greens_lose

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #160 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:06pm

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

You didn't read much history. Let's have a look at the last two major Revolutions. The last one around 250 years ago, called French revolution, but it was much more than that. It was far reaching

It failed. Mind you it managed to murder lots of folk but like all socialist experiments it failed and France just ended up with a tyrannical totalitarian megalomaniac leader that others had to deal with.

You seem to have typically overlooked the American revolution. Slightly more successful than that of the head choppers and one brought on by taxation without representation.

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Reply #161 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:14pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

You didn't read much history. Let's have a look at the last two major Revolutions. The last one around 250 years ago, called French revolution, but it was much more than that. It was far reaching

It failed. Mind you it managed to murder lots of folk but like all socialist experiments it failed and France just ended up with a tyrannical totalitarian megalomaniac leader that others had to deal with.

You seem to have typically overlooked the American revolution. Slightly more successful than that of the head choppers and one brought on by taxation without representation.

he does tend to get pretty much everything wrong.

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Reply #162 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

You didn't read much history. Let's have a look at the last two major Revolutions. The last one around 250 years ago, called French revolution, but it was much more than that. It was far reaching

It failed. Mind you it managed to murder lots of folk but like all socialist experiments it failed and France just ended up with a tyrannical totalitarian megalomaniac leader that others had to deal with.

You seem to have typically overlooked the American revolution. Slightly more successful than that of the head choppers and one brought on by taxation without representation.

he does tend to get pretty much everything wrong.

Brainwashed..... Sad

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #163 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:03pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

You didn't read much history. Let's have a look at the last two major Revolutions. The last one around 250 years ago, called French revolution, but it was much more than that. It was far reaching

It failed. Mind you it managed to murder lots of folk but like all socialist experiments it failed and France just ended up with a tyrannical totalitarian megalomaniac leader that others had to deal with.

You seem to have typically overlooked the American revolution. Slightly more successful than that of the head choppers and one brought on by taxation without representation.

It didn't fail. Revolutions solve the problem for a while, like a haircut. Like pruning a tree. Society need them periodically to cut the greedy upper class back. The conservative dead wood. Throw away the rubbish. The world is getting ready for the next major pruning.

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