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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #120 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:25am

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

except that that black line is what A LIBERAL CHEERLEADER SEE'S , NOT A STATISTICIAN

and the real trend is somehwere in the middle of that line longie ....

looks like it's going up to me ... why do you pretend its going down?

clearly, you've never done curve/line fitting, but then again any kind of maths probably eludes you.

and yet you are the one struggling to read the graph Grin

IM not sure if it is your maths or English comprehension that is worst. I have NEVER said unemployment is going down. In fact, I have been saying repeatedly that it has been trending UP for the last almost 3 years at roughly the same rate.

if you are going to disagree with me at lease do so with something I actually SAID.

creating arguments against your own stupidity now? I've highlighted what I said for your benefit ..

why do you think what YOU said is correct? you've already indicated multiple times that you have no idea about statistics.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77711 Gender:	Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott Reply #121 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:28am you do understand Longie that it takes a little more than just you saying so, for something to be true? You're an idiot, just face up to it and move on
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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #122 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:28am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

Normalise the whole chart and see what you get also cover the period that you originally specified and not just the part that gives the illusion you want.

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Yup, the trend has been accelerating

That I agree with but its not what you originally said. it clearly accelerated through the later part of 2013 and continued into 2014.

it is you that is after illusion. you want a chart that says labor kept unemployment low and it only increased under Abbott. not even your pitiful retelling of statistics can't manufacture that fantasy.

I never held that opinion. However it was relatively stable for most of the term your 3 year of constant upward trending is clearly not shown on your graph.

You have failed to include 2011/2012 in your 3 year trend ? over that period it was relatively flat, increasing slightly in 2012/13 and accelerating in 2013/14. If you go back the full Labor term you see it starting low - bumping up slightly at the beginning of the GFC and coming back down with the stimulus then remaining relatively stable till 2013.

can you not read a graph??? take a look again. the climb up starts around march 2012 and has continued for around 2.5 years since at a steady rate. pretending otherwise makes you sound like green-snot. and since we know that last months 6.4% was probably wrong, the actual trend is not to SLOW down the rate of increase.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #123 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:29am

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Bam wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???

just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration.

Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth.

which is PRECISELY what I have been saying. I am enjoying watching you clowns having to backpedal from last months hysteria. I studied university statistics and have been folloing polling for decades. from time to time you see this sort of thing happening. a few years ago Gillards poll numbers jumped 5% for no reason at all and the laborites shouted with glee only to see it all disappear the next month - also for no good reason.

What about this then?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???

just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

if you don't understanding mocking irony then that is not my problem,

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott Reply #124 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:31am John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:28am: you do understand Longie that it takes a little more than just you saying so, for something to be true? You're an idiot, just face up to it and move on you only have to read a graph.. it isn't that hard.
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott Reply #125 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:35am We know the last two points on the graph are suss. What the shambles are doing has destroyed confidence and directly increased unemployment. I do believe unemployment is now over 6% and accelerating, thanks to “Onya Abbott.”
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Reply #126 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:38am

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:35am:

We know the last two points on the graph are suss.

What the shambles are doing has destroyed confidence and directly increased unemployment. I do believe unemployment is now over 6% and accelerating, thanks to “Onya Abbott.”

you can believe whatever you want but it will be based on nothing but your delusions. just as you have no idea of the difference between linear and exponential, you also have no idea of the difference between constantn trend and slowing trend.

unemployment growth rate is slowing.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott Reply #127 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:40am No way is the rate of unemployment growth slowing!
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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #128 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:42am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:28am:

you do understand Longie that it takes a little more than just you saying so, for something to be true?

You're an idiot, just face up to it and move on

you only have to read a graph.. it isn't that hard.

I'm not the one cherry picking two numbers of many on that graph, that you've previously admitted are faulty, and concluding a trend based on those two numbers .... only an idiot would do that !

wait a minute, that was you Grin

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #129 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:46am

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

No way is the rate of unemployment growth slowing!

in your mind that is obviously true, but then again you thinkn the oridinal NBN could be finished by Christmas for $149,99 while the turnball NBN will cost $300B

you are a joke - and a bad one.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott Reply #130 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:50am Abbotts got the right idea..starve the ABS of funds so now they have no idea of what the unemployment stats are
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott Reply #131 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77711 Gender:	Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott Reply #132 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:54am longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am: Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep. i see unemployment going up edit
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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #133 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:46am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

No way is the rate of unemployment growth slowing!

in your mind that is obviously true, but then again you thinkn the oridinal NBN could be finished by Christmas for $149,99 while the turnball NBN will cost $300B

you are a joke - and a bad one.

I have pointed out that all the bits of selfserving paper Turncoat has commissioned show FTTH is feasible and economically possible. I have tried to estimate the cost of FTTN+HFC taking into account the cost of acquiring, auditing, remediating the copper, maintaining the copper and powering the nodes.

All those bits of paper, the “Strategic Review” the so–called “CBA” do NOT take into consideration the above costs and STILL cannot show FTTN is significantly cheaper than FTTH. YOU may wish to believe lies and the charlatans that spin lies, I don’t.

I gave a detailed account of my estimate for FTTN/HFC, you, wisely but cowardly, did not dispute any of my figures and reasoning. Now you seek to disparage me by quoting double the worst figure I worked out.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #134 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:06am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

IM not sure if it is your maths or English comprehension that is worst. I have NEVER said unemployment is going down. In fact, I have been saying repeatedly that it has been trending UP for the last almost 3 years at roughly the same rate.

if you are going to disagree with me at lease do so with something I actually SAID.

OK

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

and

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

but clearly the fact that unemployment has dropped steeply is something you don't want to accept

but wait, there's more

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 7:57am:

unemployment down: dodgy data

your problem longie is that you pump out the crap so fast that even you have no idea what you said Grin

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