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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14248 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: The new 'Climate Deniers' Reply #15 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:58pm buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:03am: FAIL ONE Inability to grasp (as near as it gets) consensus on climate change science FAIL TWO Inability to embrace universally accepted definition of "climate denier"
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Re: The new 'Climate Deniers'
Reply #16 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 2:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

The MET responded furiously, disputing his claim and saying that the earth was continuing to warm and there was no pause

Source please.

go to their website and look for the articles on 'explaining the pause'

Thanks Longy - I found an interesting article titled "The recent pause in global warming: What are the potential causes?"

But my question was about your claim that the MET office insisted "there was no pause". You are just confirming that they acknowledged the pause - or in other words the exact opposite of what you claimed.

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Re: The new 'Climate Deniers'
Reply #17 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 3:05pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

What did CSIRO say recently? Was it 99.99% certainty ? Continue to be the 0.01% longie Grin

How's jebus going? I'm sure he can ask Noah to build us a new ark as a solution to climate change Grin

and what a joke that was!! you cant be 99.999% sure the moon landings happened because in that 1 in 100,000 chance exists the possibility it was all faked. now, no body with a brain believes it was faked as the evidence is overwhelming. but to grant that level of certainty to climate change where the evidence is almost non-existant is an indication of just how desperate they are to generate belief in the absence of actual facts.

evidence is almost non existent you say? Grin

Amazing how you refuse to accept any evidence of climate change and claim that all scientists are in some massive conspiracy theory, including the CSIRO, but when it comes to Jebus you're completely convinced. That tells enough to discredit you entirely.

in case you haven't realised but over the years, more and more people have become disenchanted with the ACC hysteria - including scientists. and where is this evidence that proves it? DOESNT EXIST. there has been not one single instance of a climate condition going outside the normal range. there has not even been a TREND towards that happening. at some point or other there needs to be less predictive failure and more demonstrable evidence. At the moment everything has been a failure. even the antarctic is increasing its ice mass and the arctic simply refuses to melt as has been long predicted.

observation is superior to prediction. if a prediction fails then it was wrong. that is even hard for a climate hysteric to debunk.

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Re: The new 'Climate Deniers'
Reply #18 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 2:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

The MET responded furiously, disputing his claim and saying that the earth was continuing to warm and there was no pause

Source please.

go to their website and look for the articles on 'explaining the pause'

Thanks Longy - I found an interesting article titled "The recent pause in global warming: What are the potential causes?"

But my question was about your claim that the MET office insisted "there was no pause". You are just confirming that they acknowledged the pause - or in other words the exact opposite of what you claimed.

for around a year after the newpaper claim that there was no pause they furiously denied it and it went on and on and was rather embarrassing since it was their own data and it was as obvious as the nose on your face. it wasn't the data that was interesting but rather the response to it. the truth was ironically INCONVENIENT and they refused to accept it. so how do we trust them now since we already know they deliberately misinterpret data?

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Re: The new 'Climate Deniers'
Reply #19 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 3:13pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

FAIL ONE

Inability to grasp (as near as it gets)
consensus
on climate change science

FAIL TWO

Inability to embrace
universally accepted definition
of "climate denier"

we are CHANGING the definition Buzzard. the climate deniers now are bozos like you who pretend something is happening that actually isn't.

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Re: The new 'Climate Deniers'
Reply #20 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 4:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

FAIL ONE

Inability to grasp (as near as it gets)
consensus
on climate change science

FAIL TWO

Inability to embrace
universally accepted definition
of "climate denier"

we are CHANGING the definition Buzzard.

If re-writing your own personal dictionary is your best path to self-validation
- and feeling better about yourself -
I'd say GO for it !

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Reply #21 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 4:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

What did CSIRO say recently? Was it 99.99% certainty ? Continue to be the 0.01% longie Grin

How's jebus going? I'm sure he can ask Noah to build us a new ark as a solution to climate change Grin

and what a joke that was!! you cant be 99.999% sure the moon landings happened because in that 1 in 100,000 chance exists the possibility it was all faked. now, no body with a brain believes it was faked as the evidence is overwhelming. but to grant that level of certainty to climate change where the evidence is almost non-existant is an indication of just how desperate they are to generate belief in the absence of actual facts.

evidence is almost non existent you say? Grin

Amazing how you refuse to accept any evidence of climate change and claim that all scientists are in some massive conspiracy theory, including the CSIRO, but when it comes to Jebus you're completely convinced. That tells enough to discredit you entirely.

in case you haven't realised but over the years, more and more people have become disenchanted with the ACC hysteria - including scientists. and where is this evidence that proves it? DOESNT EXIST. there has been not one single instance of a climate condition going outside the normal range. there has not even been a TREND towards that happening. at some point or other there needs to be less predictive failure and more demonstrable evidence. At the moment everything has been a failure. even the antarctic is increasing its ice mass and the arctic simply refuses to melt as has been long predicted.

observation is superior to prediction. if a prediction fails then it was wrong. that is even hard for a climate hysteric to debunk.

Antarctic is increasing its ice mass in areas where it shouldn't be, while the arctic is melting, which shows a change in the climate conditions. It helps to read before making your stupid arguments:
http://theconversation.com/what-is-the-paradox-of-increasing-antarctic-sea-ice-r...

Keep avoiding science and believing in fairy tales. You're clearly good it.

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Re: The new 'Climate Deniers'
Reply #22 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 5:58pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

What did CSIRO say recently? Was it 99.99% certainty ? Continue to be the 0.01% longie Grin

How's jebus going? I'm sure he can ask Noah to build us a new ark as a solution to climate change Grin

and what a joke that was!! you cant be 99.999% sure the moon landings happened because in that 1 in 100,000 chance exists the possibility it was all faked. now, no body with a brain believes it was faked as the evidence is overwhelming. but to grant that level of certainty to climate change where the evidence is almost non-existant is an indication of just how desperate they are to generate belief in the absence of actual facts.

evidence is almost non existent you say? Grin

Amazing how you refuse to accept any evidence of climate change and claim that all scientists are in some massive conspiracy theory, including the CSIRO, but when it comes to Jebus you're completely convinced. That tells enough to discredit you entirely.

in case you haven't realised but over the years, more and more people have become disenchanted with the ACC hysteria - including scientists. and where is this evidence that proves it? DOESNT EXIST. there has been not one single instance of a climate condition going outside the normal range. there has not even been a TREND towards that happening. at some point or other there needs to be less predictive failure and more demonstrable evidence. At the moment everything has been a failure. even the antarctic is increasing its ice mass and the arctic simply refuses to melt as has been long predicted.

observation is superior to prediction. if a prediction fails then it was wrong. that is even hard for a climate hysteric to debunk.

Antarctic is increasing its ice mass in areas where it shouldn't be, while the arctic is melting, which shows a change in the climate conditions. It helps to read before making your stupid arguments:
http://theconversation.com/what-is-the-paradox-of-increasing-antarctic-sea-ice-r...

Keep avoiding science and believing in fairy tales. You're clearly good it.

so you see antarctic ice INCREASING and just say 'whatever' but when arctic ice retreats some... CLIMATE CHANGE ALERT!!!! (forget the gigantic undersea volcano right beneath it). This is kinda the point I am making. any eveidence that discredits ACC is automatically ignored while anything that may support it is blindly repeated with little regard for its accuracy.

sounds like you are a climate denier too!!!

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Re: The new 'Climate Deniers'
Reply #23 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:06pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

What did CSIRO say recently? Was it 99.99% certainty ? Continue to be the 0.01% longie Grin

How's jebus going? I'm sure he can ask Noah to build us a new ark as a solution to climate change Grin

and what a joke that was!! you cant be 99.999% sure the moon landings happened because in that 1 in 100,000 chance exists the possibility it was all faked. now, no body with a brain believes it was faked as the evidence is overwhelming. but to grant that level of certainty to climate change where the evidence is almost non-existant is an indication of just how desperate they are to generate belief in the absence of actual facts.

evidence is almost non existent you say? Grin

Amazing how you refuse to accept any evidence of climate change and claim that all scientists are in some massive conspiracy theory, including the CSIRO, but when it comes to Jebus you're completely convinced. That tells enough to discredit you entirely.

I have said it many times before. show me evidence of climatic conditions outside historical norms or even trending towards it. you never do because NO ONE does and that is because such evidence does not exist. every solitary prediction has failed by a country mile. every model is broken and climate refuses to do what you expect. why should ANYONE believe the hysteria when nothing every happens as predicted?

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gone Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 744 somewhere Gender:	Re: The new 'Climate Deniers' Reply #24 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:13pm So many warmists there are in Australia. It's obviously a lot easier to sell the "global warming" lie in a hot country like Australia.
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Re: The new 'Climate Deniers'
Reply #25 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

What did CSIRO say recently? Was it 99.99% certainty ? Continue to be the 0.01% longie Grin

How's jebus going? I'm sure he can ask Noah to build us a new ark as a solution to climate change Grin

and what a joke that was!! you cant be 99.999% sure the moon landings happened because in that 1 in 100,000 chance exists the possibility it was all faked. now, no body with a brain believes it was faked as the evidence is overwhelming. but to grant that level of certainty to climate change where the evidence is almost non-existant is an indication of just how desperate they are to generate belief in the absence of actual facts.

evidence is almost non existent you say? Grin

Amazing how you refuse to accept any evidence of climate change and claim that all scientists are in some massive conspiracy theory, including the CSIRO, but when it comes to Jebus you're completely convinced. That tells enough to discredit you entirely.

in case you haven't realised but over the years, more and more people have become disenchanted with the ACC hysteria - including scientists. and where is this evidence that proves it? DOESNT EXIST. there has been not one single instance of a climate condition going outside the normal range. there has not even been a TREND towards that happening. at some point or other there needs to be less predictive failure and more demonstrable evidence. At the moment everything has been a failure. even the antarctic is increasing its ice mass and the arctic simply refuses to melt as has been long predicted.

observation is superior to prediction. if a prediction fails then it was wrong. that is even hard for a climate hysteric to debunk.

Antarctic is increasing its ice mass in areas where it shouldn't be, while the arctic is melting, which shows a change in the climate conditions. It helps to read before making your stupid arguments:
http://theconversation.com/what-is-the-paradox-of-increasing-antarctic-sea-ice-r...

Keep avoiding science and believing in fairy tales. You're clearly good it.

so you see antarctic ice INCREASING and just say 'whatever' but when arctic ice retreats some... CLIMATE CHANGE ALERT!!!! (forget the gigantic undersea volcano right beneath it). This is kinda the point I am making. any eveidence that discredits ACC is automatically ignored while anything that may support it is blindly repeated with little regard for its accuracy.

sounds like you are a climate denier too!!!

Did you read the article? Grin

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Reply #26 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

What did CSIRO say recently? Was it 99.99% certainty ? Continue to be the 0.01% longie Grin

How's jebus going? I'm sure he can ask Noah to build us a new ark as a solution to climate change Grin

and what a joke that was!! you cant be 99.999% sure the moon landings happened because in that 1 in 100,000 chance exists the possibility it was all faked. now, no body with a brain believes it was faked as the evidence is overwhelming. but to grant that level of certainty to climate change where the evidence is almost non-existant is an indication of just how desperate they are to generate belief in the absence of actual facts.

evidence is almost non existent you say? Grin

Amazing how you refuse to accept any evidence of climate change and claim that all scientists are in some massive conspiracy theory, including the CSIRO, but when it comes to Jebus you're completely convinced. That tells enough to discredit you entirely.

I have said it many times before. show me evidence of climatic conditions outside historical norms or even trending towards it. you never do because NO ONE does and that is because such evidence does not exist. every solitary prediction has failed by a country mile. every model is broken and climate refuses to do what you expect. why should ANYONE believe the hysteria when nothing every happens as predicted?

The very fact that ice is increasing in Antarctica and melting in the arctic is evidence; evidence you choose to ignore. What is it with you jebus worshipper a and your faith in fables but complete ignorance to science?

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Reply #27 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 7:37pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

What did CSIRO say recently? Was it 99.99% certainty ? Continue to be the 0.01% longie Grin

How's jebus going? I'm sure he can ask Noah to build us a new ark as a solution to climate change Grin

and what a joke that was!! you cant be 99.999% sure the moon landings happened because in that 1 in 100,000 chance exists the possibility it was all faked. now, no body with a brain believes it was faked as the evidence is overwhelming. but to grant that level of certainty to climate change where the evidence is almost non-existant is an indication of just how desperate they are to generate belief in the absence of actual facts.

evidence is almost non existent you say? Grin

Amazing how you refuse to accept any evidence of climate change and claim that all scientists are in some massive conspiracy theory, including the CSIRO, but when it comes to Jebus you're completely convinced. That tells enough to discredit you entirely.

I have said it many times before. show me evidence of climatic conditions outside historical norms or even trending towards it. you never do because NO ONE does and that is because such evidence does not exist. every solitary prediction has failed by a country mile. every model is broken and climate refuses to do what you expect. why should ANYONE believe the hysteria when nothing every happens as predicted?

The very fact that ice is increasing in Antarctica and melting in the arctic is evidence; evidence you choose to ignore. What is it with you jebus worshipper a and your faith in fables but complete ignorance to science?

Since this is not the first time in history that the Arctic has been ice-free, how is it 'outside of historical norms'?

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: The new 'Climate Deniers' Reply #28 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 7:42pm All the evidence of AGW has created the information for the models. FAIL. The models are wrong therefore the science that gives them the information to create the models is wrong. AGW pseudo science is empirically proven wrong.
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Re: The new 'Climate Deniers'
Reply #29 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:23pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

What did CSIRO say recently? Was it 99.99% certainty ? Continue to be the 0.01% longie Grin

How's jebus going? I'm sure he can ask Noah to build us a new ark as a solution to climate change Grin

and what a joke that was!! you cant be 99.999% sure the moon landings happened because in that 1 in 100,000 chance exists the possibility it was all faked. now, no body with a brain believes it was faked as the evidence is overwhelming. but to grant that level of certainty to climate change where the evidence is almost non-existant is an indication of just how desperate they are to generate belief in the absence of actual facts.

evidence is almost non existent you say? Grin

Amazing how you refuse to accept any evidence of climate change and claim that all scientists are in some massive conspiracy theory, including the CSIRO, but when it comes to Jebus you're completely convinced. That tells enough to discredit you entirely.

in case you haven't realised but over the years, more and more people have become disenchanted with the ACC hysteria - including scientists. and where is this evidence that proves it? DOESNT EXIST. there has been not one single instance of a climate condition going outside the normal range. there has not even been a TREND towards that happening. at some point or other there needs to be less predictive failure and more demonstrable evidence. At the moment everything has been a failure. even the antarctic is increasing its ice mass and the arctic simply refuses to melt as has been long predicted.

observation is superior to prediction. if a prediction fails then it was wrong. that is even hard for a climate hysteric to debunk.

Antarctic is increasing its ice mass in areas where it shouldn't be, while the arctic is melting, which shows a change in the climate conditions. It helps to read before making your stupid arguments:
http://theconversation.com/what-is-the-paradox-of-increasing-antarctic-sea-ice-r...

Keep avoiding science and believing in fairy tales. You're clearly good it.

so you see antarctic ice INCREASING and just say 'whatever' but when arctic ice retreats some... CLIMATE CHANGE ALERT!!!! (forget the gigantic undersea volcano right beneath it). This is kinda the point I am making. any eveidence that discredits ACC is automatically ignored while anything that may support it is blindly repeated with little regard for its accuracy.

sounds like you are a climate denier too!!!

Did you read the article? Grin

I did and it wasn't exactly waving the ACC flag now, was it?

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