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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #30 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

I used to hate refugees. I would run them down, make snide comments about Indians, call them worthless spongers, they should all be shot, etc based on the concerns of the economy, job losses, etc. I was all for "white power" "patriotism" "proud to be Aussie" and had that disgusting mentality.

But then I thought about it, after a time; if I lived in a war-torn or third world country, and if I had a way out, would I take it? The answer is yes, which is what most of us would say.

I am now of the belief that the human life, no matter where it comes from or what its faith is, is much more important than the petty, selfish, ridiculous economy, which is orchestrated by greedy scumbags who don't give two cr.aps about human life, or even each other.

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #31 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:32pm

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Isn't it amazing how one people can act in fear because their lands are being invaded.

While Australians act in fear about the 'possibility' that someone overseas 'might' invade. Roll Eyes

The country has already been invaded, just in a "politically correct" way.

Exactly. It's now politically correct to blame Islam for everything. If you don't, you're that heinous breed of wishy-washy softcock known as a "spineless apologist".

We all blame Islam here.

Extremism isn't a concept devoted to, or affiliated with Islam. This is what people forget... tunnel vision mentalities, separatist mentalities, where the need for war is determined by religion or race.

Another thing that is forgotten is that we all descend from one source, Islamic people weren't always as they are now, as I wasn't always a part of a "Western Christian civilisation".

If these people hating on the entirety of Islamic faith lived next door to an Islamic family, I can guarantee you that they wouldn't even have the cuts to confront them. Most of this is big tough keyboard warrior talk, a forum provides an outlet for wannabe warmongers.

Chickenhawks -- people who never signed up to fight a war, but support it behind the safety of their homes, computers, etc.

where do these chickhawks you mention LIVE....

I did watch 4 corners on e night and it was very disturbing.. young Syrian men living in terror from ISIS because they dish out the same punishment to them as the infidels for not joining their mission...

this man told the camera [with face covered of course] that most did not want to join and kill...but fear made them.. his eyes were haunted...

no these people are not keyboard warriors not at all...

we dont live in fear here.. we have no idea what that is like.

warmongers an old fashioned word....

not really we do what needs to be done... not because we want too because we have too...

if you think these people will never come to us.........

well I for one hope you are right.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: The crystal ball that is our future Reply #32 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:33pm ... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:25pm: It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf. we have an army and a navy... no one is conscripted anymore....and they join to protect their country and their countrymen.. unless you prefer everyone is armed to the teeth..
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Reply #34 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:38pm

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf.

we have an army and a navy... no one is conscripted anymore....and they join to protect their country and their countrymen..

unless you prefer everyone is armed to the teeth..

Perhaps.

Remind me how many aussies have been beheaded?

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #35 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:41pm

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:38pm:

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf.

we have an army and a navy... no one is conscripted anymore....and they join to protect their country and their countrymen..

unless you prefer everyone is armed to the teeth..

Yep.

Remind me how many aussies have been beheaded?

oh so wait till it is US you mean.. I get it...

the fact they were just everyday citizens with no guns or uniforms......doesnt do it for you.

I think I have met people like you in my lifetime... I do my best to forget I did though

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #36 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:42pm

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

dont you love the and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum..

must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone..

so noice..... Shocked

personally if they were my rellies I would hide them.

but to each his own. Grin

don't be shy Cods, you can own up to the photo ... of course, that was taken on your 21st birthday so you don't look quite so spry anymore Grin

Not after getting stuck in the foxhole with me.

Poor thing. She's never been the same.

fox holes are for patriots kamel people who will fight to the death so their children can live in freedom...

you have already demonstrated you dont believe in that spirit.... of fighting for ones country...not enough in to make it worth your while I believe Angry

I know, dear. I'm a lover, not a fighter.

If it's rocking... don't bother knocking...

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #37 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:43pm

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:38pm:

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf.

we have an army and a navy... no one is conscripted anymore....and they join to protect their country and their countrymen..

unless you prefer everyone is armed to the teeth..

Yep.

Remind me how many aussies have been beheaded?

oh so wait till it is US you mean.. I get it...
the fact they were just everyday citizens with no guns or uniforms......doesnt do it for you.

I think I have met people like you in my lifetime... I do my best to forget I did though

No. No, you really don't.

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #38 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:48pm

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:38pm:

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf.

we have an army and a navy... no one is conscripted anymore....and they join to protect their country and their countrymen..

unless you prefer everyone is armed to the teeth..

Yep.

Remind me how many aussies have been beheaded?

oh so wait till it is US you mean.. I get it...
the fact they were just everyday citizens with no guns or uniforms......doesnt do it for you.

I think I have met people like you in my lifetime... I do my best to forget I did though

No. No, you really don't.

I don't think Cods likes you, Honky. What on earth did you say?

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #39 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:52pm

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Isn't it amazing how one people can act in fear because their lands are being invaded.

While Australians act in fear about the 'possibility' that someone overseas 'might' invade. Roll Eyes

The country has already been invaded, just in a "politically correct" way.

Exactly. It's now politically correct to blame Islam for everything. If you don't, you're that heinous breed of wishy-washy softcock known as a "spineless apologist".

We all blame Islam here.

Extremism isn't a concept devoted to, or affiliated with Islam. This is what people forget... tunnel vision mentalities, separatist mentalities, where the need for war is determined by religion or race.

Another thing that is forgotten is that we all descend from one source, Islamic people weren't always as they are now, as I wasn't always a part of a "Western Christian civilisation".

If these people hating on the entirety of Islamic faith lived next door to an Islamic family, I can guarantee you that they wouldn't even have the cuts to confront them. Most of this is big tough keyboard warrior talk, a forum provides an outlet for wannabe warmongers.

Chickenhawks -- people who never signed up to fight a war, but support it behind the safety of their homes, computers, etc.

where do these chickhawks you mention LIVE....

I did watch 4 corners on e night and it was very disturbing.. young Syrian men living in terror from ISIS because they dish out the same punishment to them as the infidels for not joining their mission...

this man told the camera [with face covered of course] that most did not want to join and kill...but fear made them.. his eyes were haunted...

no these people are not keyboard warriors not at all...

we dont live in fear here.. we have no idea what that is like.

warmongers an old fashioned word....

not really we do what needs to be done... not because we want too because we have too...

if you think these people will never come to us.........

well I for one hope you are right.

I'm talking about people on this forum and other forums like this, spreading anti-Islam all over the place when the problem isn't the religion itself, it is the demented minds of the people who formed ISIS.
I am also talking about politicians who send people to war, and media representatives who sit there and support war when they would never send themselves or their children to war. Chickenhawks.

If you have to defend yourself, you have no choice. But that is a whole different ball game to getting involved in a war, thus attracting attention to the country putting everybody inside the country at risk.

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #40 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:39pm

The reason I started this thread is that ISIS is urging Moslems across the world to rise up against their host nations...It is the way of the Jihad.

As I have posted earlier, there are 500,000 Moslems in Australia, most of them peace loving people getting on with it.

However it would be extremely naive at the least to think that there is not at least a small percentage who hate us with a vengeance and are ready and willing to commit to the Jihad.

Therein lies the conundrum

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #41 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:46pm

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:39pm:

The reason I started this thread is that ISIS is urging Moslems across the world to rise up against their host nations...It is the way of the Jihad.

As I have posted earlier, there are 500,000 Moslems in Australia, most of them peace loving people getting on with it.

However it would be extremely naive at the least to think that there is not at least a small percentage who hate us with a vengeance and are ready and willing to commit to the Jihad.

Therein lies the conundrum

If the small percentage that hated us really hated us, why would they move here?
Other than to take over, which is what ISIS want?
Having said that, you have a point. But we shouldn't punish all Islamic people for this percentage.
It's like punishing all Christians for being pedophiles.

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #42 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 8:37pm

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:39pm:

The reason I started this thread is that ISIS is urging Moslems across the world to rise up against their host nations...It is the way of the Jihad.

As I have posted earlier, there are 500,000 Moslems in Australia, most of them peace loving people getting on with it.

However it would be extremely naive at the least to think that there is not at least a small percentage who hate us with a vengeance and are ready and willing to commit to the Jihad.

Therein lies the conundrum

If the small percentage that hated us really hated us, why would they move here?
Other than to take over, which is what ISIS want?
Having said that, you have a point. But we shouldn't punish all Islamic people for this percentage.
It's like punishing all Christians for being pedophiles.

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief

What a quote.

Freedumb, you’re proving to be one of the most interesting and insightful posters here. I particularly liked your post in Spirituality about how you got sucked into the game of petty tit for tat that is this site.

Not only do you have the ability to pierce the veils of ignorance in others, you have the rare willingness to expose the violence within yourself.

You’ve got it.

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #43 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 9:08pm

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

I used to hate refugees. I would run them down, make snide comments about Indians, call them worthless spongers, they should all be shot, etc based on the concerns of the economy, job losses, etc. I was all for "white power" "patriotism" "proud to be Aussie" and had that disgusting mentality.

But then I thought about it, after a time; if I lived in a war-torn or third world country, and if I had a way out, would I take it? The answer is yes, which is what most of us would say.

I am now of the belief that the human life, no matter where it comes from or what its faith is, is much more important than the petty, selfish, ridiculous economy, which is orchestrated by greedy scumbags who don't give two cr.aps about human life, or even each other.

good on you for admitting it and for finally letting common sense prevail.... EVERY SINGLE ONE of these anti asylum seeker mor ons on this forum would do exactly the same thing if roles were reversed ....

I doubt one of them would do things differently

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #44 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 9:12pm

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:39pm:

The reason I started this thread is that ISIS is urging Moslems across the world to rise up against their host nations...It is the way of the Jihad.

extremists have been calling for Muslems to rise up against non believers for decades ... nothing new, why are you suddenly scared?

Its Abbotts intention to scare everyone into thinking we need to go to war, why? because historically, govt's at war rarely lose an election .. it's a numbers game and Abbott has already proven he doesn't care the cost, as long as he gets the office

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