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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: The crystal ball that is our future Reply #240 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 2:37pm Latest reports state that the Naval Officer has withdrawn his allegation..Ya know...that's what you get for trustin' those good ole bum bashing boys from the deep blue sea.
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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #242 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 12:33pm

Just so I've covered the bases. I have reprised this pivotal comment of mine here, it appeared originally in, 'Not Concerned about the Middle East You should be."

Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be
Reply #722 - Today at 9:20am

In the end it will be Christians versus Muslims.

The fanatical brand of Islam view Christians as 'Infidels'. They have already called a Jihad against the Western Countries.

This is going to be a long protracted fight. Muslims have established themselves in all Western countries to larger of lesser degree. Many of these Muslims are so called 'moderates'.

But if it comes to a knock them down drag them out War, they will side with their brothers.

We feel insulated here but never forget we have 500,000 Muslims amongst us.

It is highly likely that the 'new' conflict involving Western allies will be a long and protracted one.

You can expect reprisals rights across the west as local 'fanatical Muslims' endeavour to cripple us.

I can only see this War in the Middle East eventually becoming an ultimate struggle of East versus West.

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #243 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:30pm

Yeah, yeah, yay, a war.

...can't wait.

Hope it's a long messy one, complete with concentration camps, cities strewn with bodies strung from lamp posts and soldiers having to rely on piles of corpses as cover.

I just hope they upgrade the uniform so it's a cool looking one like the SS uniform. You just can't have enough skulls on a uniform.

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"You're just one lucky motherf-cker" - Someone, 5th February 2013

Num num num num.

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Reply #244 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:20pm

Karnal, hope you are reading this thread. I watched the SBS Special on the 60's Vietnam last night.

It brought back a lot of information that I had forgotten.

For a start there were 6,000 U.S. Special advisers in South Vietnam when the Government of Diem went to War with the North.

This increased to 60,000 so called Special Advisers by the end of one year. The reality was, the advisers were going into battle as Combatants and the stakes were being dramatically raised.

Lyndon Baines Johnson took over the Vietnam' problem after the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

The U.S. was worried that if South Vietnam went Communist, the other nations in South East Asia would fall under the Communist banner, in what the U.S. referred to as the domino principle.

Thus the stakes were raised higher and higher and higher in South Vietnam.

At its peak the U.S. had well over 500,00 military personnel in South Vietnam.

The end was inglorious and I can still remember the helicopter lift offs in Saigon for the lucky few who got away.

Now Vietnam is united and a peaceful Country.

It made me wonder just what is going to unfold in the Middle East.

Are the Air Forces of the Allies the thin edge of the wedge? Will we see huge commitments of troops across the board, a couple of years down the track in Iraq.

This one is going to be way different to getting rid of Saddam Hussein.

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #245 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:18pm

red baron wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:20pm:

sted by: red baron Posted on: Today at 6:20pm
Karnal, hope you are reading this thread. I watched the SBS Special on the 60's Vietnam last night.

It brought back a lot of information that I had forgotten.

For a start there were 6,000 U.S. Special advisers in South Vietnam when the Government of Diem went to War with the North.

This increased to 60,000 so called Special Advisers by the end of one year. The reality was, the advisers were going into battle as Combatants and the stakes were being dramatically raised.

Lyndon Baines Johnson took over the Vietnam' problem after the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

The U.S. was worried that if South Vietnam went Communist, the other nations in South East Asia would fall under the Communist banner, in what the U.S. referred to as the domino principle.

Thus the stakes were raised higher and higher and higher in South Vietnam.

At its peak the U.S. had well over 500,00 military personnel in South Vietnam.

The end was inglorious and I can still remember the helicopter lift offs in Saigon for the lucky few who got away.

Now Vietnam is united and a peaceful Country.

It made me wonder just what is going to unfold in the Middle East.

Are the Air Forces of the Allies the thin edge of the wedge? Will we see huge commitments of troops across the board, a couple of years down the track in Iraq.

This one is going to be way different to getting rid of Saddam Hussein.

America was all about war all those years ago...G.I.Joe was still alive and kicking..things are different now.. a lot of water has flown under the bridge and very little to show for it..

everyone goes back to what happened years ago.. it is so irrelevant..no offense meant but there is no comparison...

the West always thought they would change the world.. John Wayne always won in the end.... Cheesy

but it hasnt happened..nothing America or the West has done has stopped the killing for the sake of killing...and thats what is happening now.. the Gaza or Syria..its all the same.. no one knows who the good guys are anymore...everyone is as bad as the other....

we can be very complacent living this far away...it hasnt happened here and we say it never will.. I bet there is almost no one who can say they have lived with bombs falling down on them day and night..

.when did our kids ever have to fear treading on a land bomb??>.. our kids dont know real fear or terror...and I hope they never do.. it isnt always the answer RB...I for one cannot think of anything else the coalition can do..... but will it stop it once and for all.. I doubt it.

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #246 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 6:43am

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Yeah, yeah, yay, a war.

...can't wait.

Hope it's a long messy one, complete with concentration camps, cities strewn with bodies strung from lamp posts and soldiers having to rely on piles of corpses as cover.

I just hope they upgrade the uniform so it's a cool looking one like the SS uniform. You just can't have enough skulls on a uniform.

Lycra.....I'm going with lycra.....Tony loves lycra.

For those hot days in the desert.

Evening uniform....it gets cold in the desert after sunset.

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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #247 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:38am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 6:43am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Yeah, yeah, yay, a war.

...can't wait.

Hope it's a long messy one, complete with concentration camps, cities strewn with bodies strung from lamp posts and soldiers having to rely on piles of corpses as cover.

I just hope they upgrade the uniform so it's a cool looking one like the SS uniform. You just can't have enough skulls on a uniform.

Lycra.....I'm going with lycra.....Tony loves lycra.

For those hot days in the desert.

http://ep.yimg.com/ay/abcunderwear/men-s-camo-boxer-briefs-7.jpg

Evening uniform....it gets cold in the desert after sunset.

http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mHKT2JP1R8cl9GfUUqy3jyg.jpg

it interests me that people can sneer and make ?jokes? about what is going on in the Middle East...

difference of opinion.. OK.. but this... Sad

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #248 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:58am

I support our involvement against ISIL but I'm getting a bit cranky around the edges.

It is all about the use of the 'W' word.

We are going on a 'Humanitarian Mission' and a support role.

Will someone tell me when this changes from such
a mission to a 'W.R' Mission.

For instance if our Squadron of F-18's totals an ISIL hangout and kills a few hundred ISIL into the process, are we then delivering humanitarian aid?

Personally I think we are at War but if the 'W' word is so case sensitive then what are we doing? Our boys in the F-18's won't be delivering Happy Christmas messages from Tony Abbott....or then maybe they will be.

They certainly will 'rock the house'.

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #249 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:53pm

red baron wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

I support our involvement against ISIL but I'm getting a bit cranky around the edges.

It is all about the use of the 'W' word.

We are going on a 'Humanitarian Mission' and a support role.

Will someone tell me when this changes from such
a mission to a 'W.R' Mission.

For instance if our Squadron of F-18's totals an ISIL hangout and kills a few hundred ISIL into the process, are we then delivering humanitarian aid?

Personally I think we are at War but if the 'W' word is so case sensitive then what are we doing? Our boys in the F-18's won't be delivering Happy Christmas messages from Tony Abbott....or then maybe they will be.

They certainly will 'rock the house'.

It's called double-think.

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Re: The crystal ball that is our future
Reply #250 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 8:35am

The 202 SAS soldiers going to Iraq in an advisory role.

Pull the other one it tinkles.

Trying to teach Iraqi soldiers how to fight is akin to getting a donkey ready for the Melbourne Cup.

Our SAS soldiers will be carrying out tales of derring do. It is what they are trained for. May God go with them in their highly dangerous roles.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: The crystal ball that is our future Reply #251 - Oct 7^th, 2014 at 5:59pm R.A.A.F. doing recon missions, meanwhile just over the border in Syria ISIL has just captured a major border town, Kobani, on the Syrian, Turkish border just shy of Turkey. The U.S. Air Force was unable to stop ISIL capturing Kobani.
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Reply #252 - Oct 7^th, 2014 at 8:05pm

red baron wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

R.A.A.F. doing recon missions, meanwhile just over the border in Syria ISIL has just captured a major border town, Kobani, on the Syrian, Turkish border just shy of Turkey.

The U.S. Air Force was unable to stop ISIL capturing Kobani.

Not sure that is entirely correct, but the basic point is on the money. IS will simply blend into urban areas (I do recall making a post about hoping the military had cut them off from being able to do that) and air power is useless.

Here comes the 7th Cavalry. Let's hope no Australian soldier is among them. We have no rightful place there. None.

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Reply #253 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 9:59am

Kobani on the Syrian border could really use a hand as the Kurds there fight for their very lives. Meanwhile our boys are doing recce missions in Iraq skies.

Are we there to fight ISIL? If so, then a certain squadron of F-18A's should go help out the beleaguered Kobani.

The Kurds leaders there are pleading for more air strikes.

I mean this is a blush.t war. Whoops said that W..word again. Sorry HUMANITARIAN MISSION Grin

If they want to get rid of ISIL, all the Coalition Forces must go and fight them where they are...not where they are not.

Which is the case at the moment. 69 Million dollar planes flying around checking the site seeing in Iraq, whilst the enemy is just over the border.

Either go take them on or get right the f...k out the place.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: The crystal ball that is our future Reply #254 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 8:05am What happened with the break in yesterday at Bankstown Airport where there is no security after 9pm at night is a BIG RED CARD that demonstrates that even though we are at high level Security our Security is a total joke. God help us if the Jihadists who walks amongst us decide to go on the offensive.
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