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Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten
Reply #15 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 11:29am

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 11:18am:

Shorten HAS declared he would bring in an ETS and the Labor vote went UP in the latest Newspoll!

Try thinking for a change, Armpit!

Gillard’s Carbon Price lost its sting once it came into effect 1/7/12. Carbon pricing is not a vote winner for the LNP!

Now the shambles is divided on keeping the RET. Nothing there to point to am LNP election win in 2016! If monkey rescinds the RET (a Howard initiative BTW) he will piss off a LOT of people! If he keeps it Labor can ask “then why rescind the Carbon Price?”

Sooner the shambles goes the better for the country!

Wrong - both he and Milne have stated publicly they want to bring back the carbon tax. Only Rudd, after realising his situation was hopeless - touted an ETS in the dying stages of the ALP government a year ago.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten Reply #16 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 11:53am Think he meant an ETS, no way would we go back to fixed price emissions ETS, been there done that. But that announcement has seen Labor support improve not decline.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156214 Gender:	Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten Reply #17 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:17pm Andrew Bolt
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten Reply #18 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:34pm -19 % approval for Tony
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten Reply #19 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:37pm St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 11:18am: Try thinking for a change, Armpit!
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Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten
Reply #20 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:39pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

Shorty's clearly learned NOTHING from the worst defeat the ALP has ever experienced.

Wrong. The ALP won 55 seats in 2013, or about 37% of the seats in the Parliament. The ALP won 33% of the seats in 1966 and only 28% of the seats in 1975.

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One of the main reasons for that defeat WAS the carbon tax

Wrong again. The main reason for the election defeat was Labor infighting. If carbon pricing was the dominant issue, Labor would not have been ahead in every major opinion poll in the last nine months.

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and in declaring his intention to see it resurrected, he has effectively ensured Labor will remain in Opposition for at least the next election and possibly the one after.

Wishful thinking. Labor has been ahead in every major opinion poll for the past nine months. You would be quite foolish to place the Coalition's record of mendacity lower in the minds of voters than one single ALP policy. When the next election comes, the Coalition would struggle to win another term, given the huge pile of broken promises.

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Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten
Reply #21 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:40pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:51am:

from the original posting

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............He fought to keep those taxes, and fought those spending cuts, too.......

yep, thats the alp all over.
More taxes, more spending .................

Shorty's clearly learned NOTHING from the worst defeat the ALP has ever experienced. One of the main reasons for that defeat WAS the carbon tax and in declaring his intention to see it resurrected, he has effectively ensured Labor will remain in Opposition for at least the next election and possibly the one after. By voting against budget measures that Labor originally intended to introduce, Shorty has shown he is not interested in what's best for the nation, only what's best for him. That line of thinking is going to see him lose - not just the election but also his leadership, which may be under threat well before the next election. The election is still two years away and with the Coalition slowly clawing back ground on the ALP, once this budget is done and out of the way, things will only get worse for Shorty. Shorty's ALP has been a policy-free zone since the election, riding on mistakes made by the Coalition. That ride is at an end and he's now going to have to do some actual work and provide a credible alternative because at the moment, he's just an empty shirt.

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............. the carbon tax and in declaring his intention to see it resurrected.......

I heard that. So would have business leaders, shorten has almost guaranteed big businesses will avoid australia.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156214 Gender:	Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten Reply #22 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:42pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 11:12am: ... the worst defeat the ALP has ever experienced. One of the main reasons for that defeat WAS the carbon tax ... Absolute nonsense.
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten Reply #23 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:43pm Sprinty wished: Quote: shorten has almost guaranteed big businesses will avoid australia. Missing a couple of capital letters there, Sprint! Most countries have or are moving to pricing carbon, China and India among them, so I think your conclusion is wrong.
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten Reply #24 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:48pm Armpit, -19%!!!!!!!!!! Do you think he'll survive? -19%!!!
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten Reply #25 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:49pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:48pm: Armpit, -19%!!!!!!!!!! Do you think he'll survive? -19%!!! If the numbers don't improve dramatically, Hockey or Turnbull, I wouldn't even put it past Pyne with his ego, will take a shot at the top job about a year out from the election ....
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Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten
Reply #26 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 1:03pm

If Abbott tried to announce RET would go he would be replaced this month. -19% PMs do not have the political capital and authority to make big policy announcements before Cabinet has decided. I reckon he might be gone as early as this year, last sitting week is my prediction.

Hokey won’t have a chance, Turnbull may or WA cleanskin Porter—he has been there 1 year and is supposed to be a boy wonder. I really can’t think of anyone else.

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Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten
Reply #27 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 1:05pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:49pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Armpit, -19%!!!!!!!!!! Do you think he'll survive? -19%!!!

If the numbers don't improve dramatically, Hockey or Turnbull, I wouldn't even put it past Pyne with his ego, will take a shot at the top job about a year out from the election ....

Don't say such a thing!

The thought of the poodle as PM makes the woman-basher look almost good. Almost.

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Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten
Reply #28 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 1:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 1:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:49pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Armpit, -19%!!!!!!!!!! Do you think he'll survive? -19%!!!

If the numbers don't improve dramatically, Hockey or Turnbull, I wouldn't even put it past Pyne with his ego, will take a shot at the top job about a year out from the election ....

Don't say such a thing!

The thought of the poodle as PM makes the woman-basher look almost good. Almost.

it'll all depend on how desperate the libs get ... mind you, if Ashby comes good and produces evidence, Pyne might not be there for long ...

I know, wishful thinking

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Re: The game is over for Bill Shorten
Reply #29 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 1:09pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:49pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Armpit, -19%!!!!!!!!!! Do you think he'll survive? -19%!!!

If the numbers don't improve dramatically, Hockey or Turnbull, I wouldn't even put it past Pyne with his ego, will take a shot at the top job about a year out from the election ....

theyll need Tony to step down, claiming "family reasons"

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