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Re: The Real Cowards
Reply #15 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:41pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

So telling the truth is rent seeking now?

Protects from hollowmen who would send others to die for re-election

do not be so presumptuous as to call 'truth' that which supports your opinion. the claims that Abbott is doing this for political advantage is many things but one thing it absolutely is not is proven fact. I would hope that is not something you need to have proven to you.

And neither is the opinion that he's doing it for whatever reason you think he's doing it for.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

you act all pompous like if the rest of the world wont help then neither should we.

Guess what????

WE AREN'T

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Prime Minister Tony Abbott says US President Barack Obama is doing the right thing by weighing up options before taking action in Iraq. - http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/world/2014/06/15/abbott-waits-on-obama-i...

cods wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:24pm:

I couldnt be bothered reading it to be honest.

If you haven't read it keep your fairy tale to yourself, haven't you got to blacken Ashby's name now?

you are right... you cant know for sure. but the presumption of malicious reasons is pretty lame. If Rudd or Gillard were doing it I would not presume evil motive. Helping people out in distress is what we as Australians do. Or we used to, until the little weedy cowards came out and declared that no one ever does anything for altruistic motives - becayse they don't.

Well here is some news. Tony Abbott is a good man. He wants to help people. Bill Shorten is a good man who wants to help people. what the hell are you?

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: The Real Cowards Reply #16 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:49pm Abbott wants to help people??? Well, I suppose he does: Pell, Gina, Twiggy, Murdoch. But hurt lots and lots of other people: low income workers, students, pensioners, the sick etc etc. Guess Abbott hates and wants to hurt Australians but wants to crawl to a few.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: The Real Cowards Reply #17 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 6:12pm Longy is a keyboard hero....in short...the worse sort of coward.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: The Real Cowards Reply #18 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 6:14pm adelcrow wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Longy is a keyboard hero....in short...the worse sort of coward. beats being whatever the hell you are.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: The Real Cowards Reply #19 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 6:49pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 6:14pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Longy is a keyboard hero....in short...the worse sort of coward. beats being whatever the hell you are. how can you tell if you don't even know what he is?
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Reply #20 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 6:59pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

Abbott wants to help people???

Well, I suppose he does: Pell, Gina, Twiggy, Murdoch.

But hurt lots and lots of other people: low income workers, students, pensioners, the sick etc etc.

Guess Abbott hates and wants to hurt Australians but wants to crawl to a few.

Money = power. More money = more power. Low income/average income =little/no power.

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Reply #21 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:12pm:

so the solution to not enough action everywhere it is needed is none at all?

wow. how impressive!!!

So let me be clear here, the SMH is saying because we don't go to war over Nigeria (which is false since the USA and UK sent forces specifically to that task) we shouldn't go anywhere? it is EVERYWHERE or nowhere?

yep you were right. it is not cowardice. it is far worse. It is ignoring all problems because you cant solve all of them.

I give to a lot of charities. But not all of them. in fact I don't give to most of them but in line with the SMH's thinking I will now withdraw my sponsorship of a couple World Vision Kids, Red Cross breakfast for kids and special appeals. If I cant do it all, then I should do nothing. After all I am only giving to charities that appeal to my preferences.

I will certainly have more money now. Thanks SMH and thanks dSmithy70 for showing me the error of my ways.

ps tough luck kids in Africa. looks like you are going to just have to starve to death instead of taking money from compromised people like me.

Considering the Abbott Government has cut foreign aid to the very institutions you champion, Abbott has shown his concern is confected!!!

Huh

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Reply #22 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

Well here is some news. Tony Abbott is a good man. He wants to help people. Bill Shorten is a good man who wants to help people. what the hell are you?

I'll go with honest.

And with that honesty comes some uncomfortable truths.

We as a country do not have the capability to do anything this guy suggests and the recipients throughly deserve & as you say no one does anything alteristic so evil will posper quite well thank you very much.

Boko Haram will happily have their caliphate and use child soldiers to cut other kids heads off.
Nigeria and Africa have always been risky business and BP and others are well insured against terrorist activity. Sad

Politicians should just be honest & say, we are assisting our ally to secure theirs & our energy supply.

The rest is just guff.

The honesty for me in the OP

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And yet, in spite of King Saud's fit of the vapours about the threat of IS, there is no suggestion that these formidable war machines might do anything like deploy from those conveniently located Saudi air fields. No. His oil slaves will do that work. And many in his Kingdom will go on quietly supporting their Sunni brethren in IS.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: The Real Cowards Reply #23 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:29pm what happened to dsmithy??? did he realise his thread was stupid and abandoned it???
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: The Real Cowards Reply #24 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:32pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:29pm: what happened to dsmithy??? did he realise his thread was stupid and abandoned it??? You cant see the post between this and Phils?
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Re: The Real Cowards
Reply #25 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 11:21pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:12pm:

so the solution to not enough action everywhere it is needed is none at all?

wow. how impressive!!!

So let me be clear here, the SMH is saying because we don't go to war over Nigeria (which is false since the USA and UK sent forces specifically to that task) we shouldn't go anywhere? it is EVERYWHERE or nowhere?

yep you were right. it is not cowardice. it is far worse. It is ignoring all problems because you cant solve all of them.

I give to a lot of charities. But not all of them. in fact I don't give to most of them but in line with the SMH's thinking I will now withdraw my sponsorship of a couple World Vision Kids, Red Cross breakfast for kids and special appeals. If I cant do it all, then I should do nothing. After all I am only giving to charities that appeal to my preferences.

I will certainly have more money now. Thanks SMH and thanks dSmithy70 for showing me the error of my ways.

ps tough luck kids in Africa. looks like you are going to just have to starve to death instead of taking money from compromised people like me.

Considering the Abbott Government has cut foreign aid to the very institutions you champion, Abbott has shown his concern is confected!!!

Huh

an interesting notion. nonsense of course. AusAid largely wastes money and so little of it reaches the poor.

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Reply #26 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 11:24pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

Well here is some news. Tony Abbott is a good man. He wants to help people. Bill Shorten is a good man who wants to help people. what the hell are you?

I'll go with honest.

And with that honesty comes some uncomfortable truths.

We as a country do not have the capability to do anything this guy suggests and the recipients throughly deserve & as you say no one does anything alteristic so evil will posper quite well thank you very much.

Boko Haram will happily have their caliphate and use child soldiers to cut other kids heads off.
Nigeria and Africa have always been risky business and BP and others are well insured against terrorist activity. Sad

Politicians should just be honest & say, we are assisting our ally to secure theirs & our energy supply.

The rest is just guff.

The honesty for me in the OP

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And yet, in spite of King Saud's fit of the vapours about the threat of IS, there is no suggestion that these formidable war machines might do anything like deploy from those conveniently located Saudi air fields. No. His oil slaves will do that work. And many in his Kingdom will go on quietly supporting their Sunni brethren in IS.

your cynicism is disturbing. But worse you use it to justify doing nothing. we often act out of no ones benefit as does the USA. Sure sometimes it is our own benefit, but also often not. You seem to want this utopian star trek kind of universe where everyone is good an everyone acts like Mother Theresa. grow up. that wont ever be and in its palce are flawed people often actually badly but also often acting good. you apparently cant tell the difference.

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Reply #27 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 1:55am

probably the real truth of who is a coward is found in the poll. the largest response by far is 'don't give a crap about anyone else'. So perhaps the real problem with Abbott going to the aid of other people in the world is that such actions do not resonate at all with so many people on here. No, you are not cowards as that would require an emotional response. You are simply compassionless cretins. Harldy an improvement.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: The Real Cowards Reply #28 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:27am leave your sanctimonious crap for someone who gives a sh1t what you say ... you don't care either, you just try to use it to promote the libs if you did care you wouldn't be so quick to promote war
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Reply #29 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 8:15am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 1:55am:

probably the real truth of who is a coward is found in the poll. the largest response by far is 'don't give a crap about anyone else'. So perhaps the real problem with Abbott going to the aid of other people in the world is that such actions do not resonate at all with so many people on here. No, you are not cowards as that would require an emotional response. You are simply compassionless cretins. Harldy an improvement.

That's right. Starting a war is an act of compassion.

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Question: Should Abbott help ALL trouble spots in the world?
Yes - everywhere 2 (14.3%) Kind of - a few places 4 (28.6%) No - everywhere or no where 1 (7.1%) No - dont give a crap 7 (50.0%) Total votes: 14 « Created by: longweekend58 on: Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:24pm »