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Re: Pyne Corruption Allegation
Reply #15 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:00am

mantra wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

mantra wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 6:10am:

We know that the Coalition will stop at nothing to get what they want even if it means destroying people in the process.

All governments and their components (within the administrative and executive) go to great lengths to achieve their aims while minimizing political risk and legal liability.

What you could say is that 60 Minutes stopped at nothing to get what they want even if it meant destroying naive and vulnerable people in the process.

Was Ashby paid for the story?

He would have been paid by 60 minutes. Ashby obviously loves the attention. If he really was as suicidal as he claims - he wouldn't be trying to keep the story alive.

I hope he was paid... At least that way 60 Minutes can't be accused of total cynical exploitation... Do you think their lawyers didn't know they had nothing?

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Reply #16 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:05am

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:53am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 3:53am:

We knew Pyne was corrupt Cods

You do realise that making that allegation is defamatory if untrue? The onus is yours to prove your allegation.

In that case Pynie could always sue at huge cost and recover nothing.... but would he really want the publicity?

Time for a total review of 'defamation' etc "laws".

Unlikely he would sue... But it demonstrates that its not just politicians who could be accused of not playing a straight game...

Some 'Ordinary' citizens believe they can make wild, emotional allegations while holding politicians to standards they couldn't and wouldn't meet themselves... That's not to say we shouldn't hold politicians to a higher standard... But we should at least try to measure ourselves by the same standards.

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Reply #17 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:08am

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:58am:

cods wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

there was nothing new.

I feel for the young man I really do...the left will do its best to get mileage out of it.. but really what was NEW?..

his mum and dad knew he was being used or taken for a ride...$160.000 a year with no experience...

how gullible can you get?

nothing new? weren't you one of the ones claiming it wasn't a case of the libs trying to bring down Gillard?

Getting mileage out of it? Like the righties getting mileage out of the deaths of four young men in the Insulation scheme?

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Re: Pyne Corruption Allegation
Reply #19 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:13am

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:10am:

The moral of he story

DON'T TRUST THE F.CKING LIBS

even Ashby, the man who put himself and his future on the line to help them win government, was lied to and then abandoned

AMEN to that!!!!! You would have thought he would have nutted it out following Godwin Grech's treatment by Turnbull, Hockey and Abetz

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Reply #20 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:14am

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:10am:

The moral of he story

DON'T TRUST THE F.CKING LIBS

even Ashby, the man who put himself and his future on the line to help them win government, was lied to and then abandoned

I think the take home message is...

Don't use amateur tactics to beat professionals at their own game... The reason the David and Goliath story is so enduring is because its exceptional.

Ashby thought he could take on the political and legal forces of a major political party with a notebook and some lurid stories.

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Re: Pyne Corruption Allegation
Reply #21 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:17am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:10am:

The moral of he story

DON'T TRUST THE F.CKING LIBS

even Ashby, the man who put himself and his future on the line to help them win government, was lied to and then abandoned

I think the take home message is...

Don't use amateur tactics to beat professionals at their own game... The reason the David and Goliath story is so enduring is because its exceptional.

Ashby thought he could take on the political and legal forces of a major political party with a notebook and some lurid stories.

but Ashby also thought he had his own major political party and by extension Newscorp onside to protect him

instead they threw him out as burley to sharks

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Re: Pyne Corruption Allegation
Reply #22 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:22am

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:10am:

The moral of he story

DON'T TRUST THE F.CKING LIBS

even Ashby, the man who put himself and his future on the line to help them win government, was lied to and then abandoned

Ashby admitted he had been warned, but he is such a greedy opportunist that when the big boys paid him a little attention, he wanted to believe what they said and please them. He loved the intrigue obviously.

Actually out of the whole scenario - I feel sorry for Slipper. He'd got too comfortable in his job, but he didn't deserve his punishment. Abbott and his mates have done worse when it comes to rorting the taxpayer. Same goes for a few Labor MP's.

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Reply #23 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:23am

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:10am:

The moral of he story

DON'T TRUST THE F.CKING LIBS

even Ashby, the man who put himself and his future on the line to help them win government, was lied to and then abandoned

I think the take home message is...

Don't use amateur tactics to beat professionals at their own game... The reason the David and Goliath story is so enduring is because its exceptional.

Ashby thought he could take on the political and legal forces of a major political party with a notebook and some lurid stories.

but Ashby also thought he had his own major political party and by extension Newscorp onside to protect him

instead they threw him out as burley to sharks

And, of course he had a contract to prove he had his own major political party and by extension Newscorp onside to protect him?

No? .... Thought thought he thought a thought.

In terms of his experience, his political and legal acumen, he was burley from the get go.

And what makes some believe that his intentions were/are honest and honourable?

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Pyne Corruption Allegation Reply #24 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:29am Another thing to consider is this... If Ashby was aware Pyne had made promises he shouldn't have (because making them would have been corrupt).. What did he do about it? Did he report it immediately or did he wait, to see if he could benefit from this 'corruption'?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156601 Gender:	Re: Pyne Corruption Allegation Reply #25 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 9:26am progressiveslol wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:08am: Well wasn't this a nothing story. 60 minutes more like ACA It was 60 Minutes: of course it was a nothing story. I can't believe people still watch that crap.
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Re: Pyne Corruption Allegation
Reply #26 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 9:32am

Vic wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:08am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:58am:

cods wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

there was nothing new.

I feel for the young man I really do...the left will do its best to get mileage out of it.. but really what was NEW?..

his mum and dad knew he was being used or taken for a ride...$160.000 a year with no experience...

how gullible can you get?

nothing new? weren't you one of the ones claiming it wasn't a case of the libs trying to bring down Gillard?

Getting mileage out of it? Like the righties getting mileage out of the deaths of four young men in the Insulation scheme?

one HUGE difference there.... sorry to bring it up..

4 young men lost their lives due to utter incompetence....

did Pyne lie???.. its SAhbys word against his..

funny how you believe everything ashby says about Pyne and Brough yet whatever he says about slipper is a lie....slipper was the speaker remember???...LOL>.he had the full backing of the PM..

the best part of that program was the look on Gillards face when slipper resigned... Grin

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Pyne Corruption Allegation Reply #27 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 9:33am greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 9:26am: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:08am: Well wasn't this a nothing story. 60 minutes more like ACA It was 60 Minutes: of course it was a nothing story. I can't believe people still watch that crap. he should have gone on Q&A
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Re: Pyne Corruption Allegation
Reply #28 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 9:40am

cods wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 9:32am:

Vic wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:08am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:58am:

cods wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

there was nothing new.

I feel for the young man I really do...the left will do its best to get mileage out of it.. but really what was NEW?..

his mum and dad knew he was being used or taken for a ride...$160.000 a year with no experience...

how gullible can you get?

nothing new? weren't you one of the ones claiming it wasn't a case of the libs trying to bring down Gillard?

Getting mileage out of it? Like the righties getting mileage out of the deaths of four young men in the Insulation scheme?

one HUGE difference there.... sorry to bring it up..

4 young men lost their lives due to utter incompetence....

True - but that doesn't stop many of the right on here using those deaths to gain political mileage.(this is the term you used) So no HUGE difference at all - people still use anything - including death - for their own advantage

did Pyne lie???.. its SAhbys word against his..

Yes it is

funny how you believe everything ashby says about Pyne and Brough yet whatever he says about slipper is a lie....slipper was the speaker remember???...LOL>.he had the full backing of the PM..

Really? Where have i stated I believe everything Ashby says - and whatever he says about Slipper is a lie?

the best part of that program was the look on Gillards face when slipper resigned... Grin

I didn't watch it - I find it a sleazy program at the best of times

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Reply #29 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 9:46am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

Another thing to consider is this... If Ashby was aware Pyne had made promises he shouldn't have (because making them would have been corrupt).. What did he do about it?

Did he report it immediately or did he wait, to see if he could benefit from this 'corruption'?

Ashby said in court there were no such promises made.....sounds like they all deserve each other.

This whole thing has been a massive waste of time and effort. As is the Pink Batts inquest and probably the Union "slush fund" case.

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