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Re: A real debate ... scared?
Reply #30 - Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:29pm
 
____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 10:18am:
Attacking the messengers rather than debating the issue ... scared?

Are humans able to effect the climate ... yes.

Are we ... yes.

In the defence of the deniers they only believe weather has been proven capable of being geo-engineered via the well known good and bad examples of cloud-seeding!

They believe in proof, ...sometimes  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #31 - Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:06pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:26pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:27am:
I don't support the use of copper in any process of the installation of the NBN.

It's a penny pinching retrograde step if Abbort & Turnbull go down that track.

Now get back on the scent ... you're barking up the wrong tree.

You voted for it... the kids will never forget all those stories about some alleged once in a century mining boom where australia built china and china built fibre internet and the chinese bought australian real estate due to the transfer of advantages!

I wish I voted liberal and drank at social gatherings so I could face the floor all night  Cheesy Cheesy


Wrong again Punt Free Pony  Roll Eyes
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #32 - Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:31pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:50am:
King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:34am:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 2:50am:
King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 12:19pm:
Ahhhh yes, the land will be so dry and hot you see, "that even the rain that does fall won't make it into the dams".

Another Flannery comment.....

This happens: it's called the desertification process... hmmmmmmmmmmn, yes: it happens and people panic big time



The funny bit was he said it just before the floods in 2011.

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truly impeccable timing.  it is like when the BoM says we are going to have a long dry and hot winter... and then the rains and record cold arrive.  it is almost as if God hears their rank arrogance and sends the opposite weather,


Yep, almost like that.
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #33 - Aug 29th, 2014 at 12:30am
 
Gnads wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:06pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:26pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:27am:
I don't support the use of copper in any process of the installation of the NBN.

It's a penny pinching retrograde step if Abbort & Turnbull go down that track.

Now get back on the scent ... you're barking up the wrong tree.

You voted for it... the kids will never forget all those stories about some alleged once in a century mining boom where australia built china and china built fibre internet and the chinese bought australian real estate due to the transfer of advantages!

I wish I voted liberal and drank at social gatherings so I could face the floor all night  Cheesy Cheesy


Wrong again Punt Free Pony  Roll Eyes

Oh, you don't vote liberal  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked ??
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #34 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:55pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:43am:
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am:
The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."






I don't know whether your English comprehension is lacking bogarde, but what does could mean?





Let's see what Flannery REALLY said
Not what Andrew Bolt CLAIMED he said




Quote:
SALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer?

PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We're already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we're getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that's translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That's because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation.

http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm










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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #35 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:25am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:43am:
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am:
The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."






I don't know whether your English comprehension is lacking bogarde, but what does could mean?





Let's see what Flannery REALLY said
Not what Andrew Bolt CLAIMED he said




Quote:
SALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer?

PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We're already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we're getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that's translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That's because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation.

http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm














and you think the full quote changes anything?  he was still DEAD WRONG.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #36 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:07am
 
Anyone who quotes Tim Flannery can be taken with the same grain of salt.
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #37 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 1:24pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:25am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:43am:
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am:
The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."






I don't know whether your English comprehension is lacking bogarde, but what does could mean?





Let's see what Flannery REALLY said
Not what Andrew Bolt CLAIMED he said




Quote:
SALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer?

PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We're already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we're getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that's translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That's because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation.

http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm














and you think the full quote changes anything?  he was still DEAD WRONG.







NO ... he was SPOT ON


First, Flannery did not say that Australian dams will never fill again. Andrew Bolt, misrepresenting Flannery, draws attention to a Feb 2007 Landline interview with Flannery in which Flannery said:

 
  " ... even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems"


Denialists like Bolt claim that Flannery meant by this that our dams would never fill again at any time for any reason from the date Flannery was speaking.

However, what Flannery was actually saying that climate trends at the time indicated a long-term outcome of normalized water shortage consistent with IPCC projections

Flannery’s comments were to the effect that
Australia was at the time currently experiencing a 60% fall in run-off going into dams due to hotter soils and greater rainfall take-up by drought-stressed vegetation
and that this would be indicative of what we could eventually expect as a consistent and normal outcome in the future.

He did not say that the dams would never fill again at any time from the date he was speaking, which is the thick-as-a-brick
intentionally distorted view presented by Bolt
and fellow travellers.
Flannery was pointing to a long-term outcome of normalized water shortage based on current data and climate trends.

http://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-not...



... and I don't doubt a WORD
I have a micro model - MY dam and MY two acre catchment - just outside my front door





  " ... even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems"



Flannery DIDN'T say
"Australia's dams will never fill again"




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Reply #38 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm
 
Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that?
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Reply #39 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:40pm
 
Climate change...nobody knows anything about anything.
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Reply #40 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:47pm
 
NOBODY CARES! Except the glaikit lot who are as dopey as ever.
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #41 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:18pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm:
Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that?




Not NEEDED
NOW it is full
But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery




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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #42 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:03pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:18pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm:
Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that?




Not NEEDED
NOW it is full
But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery







you don't need tim flannery to tell us what we already know - that drought affected ground takes up water.  I teach groundwater education!  But what we DONT need is that same clown predicting no water for Adelaide or Sydney.  couldn't be more wrong if he tried!
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #43 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 6:40pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:03pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:18pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm:
Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that?




Not NEEDED
NOW it is full
But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery







 
... what we DONT need is that same clown predicting no water for Adelaide or Sydney
.  couldn't be more wrong if he tried!




Perhaps you could pull up that Tim Flannery "quote" for us ?

( ... not Andrew Bolt's re-write)





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Reply #44 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 6:53pm
 
Flannery is a charlatan .... just like Al Gore.  Angry
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