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A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am

The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."

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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #1 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:43am

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."

I don't know whether your English comprehension is lacking bogarde, but what does could mean?

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers Reply #2 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:50am Semantics is the best you've got. This was clearly his ill-advised omen.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers Reply #3 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:51am Whilst ignoring actual statements is all you're basing it on. He said could have been dry, not definitely would be dry.
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Cliff48 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics /> Posts: 2109 Canberra Gender:	Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers Reply #4 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:55am bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:50am: Semantics is the best you've got. This was clearly his ill-advised omen. So you suggest that scientists (not just climate scientists) should keep any findings to themselves until they have been proved beyond question?
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers Reply #5 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:59am Well, looks like this was a "finding" he probably preferred he had kept to himself. On the other hand, his histrionics did get him a cushy job as Climate Commissioner or some such and all the kudos of being "Australian of the Year".
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #6 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 12:05pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:59am:

Well, looks like this was a "finding" he probably preferred he had kept to himself.
On the other hand, his histrionics did get him a cushy job as Climate Commissioner or some such and all the kudos of being "Australian of the Year".

Jealousy? Flannery reminds me of Carl Sagan a lot. Willing to open his mouth and say something, rather than keep stumn. Sagan once predicted "Polar Bear like creatures on Mars..." No one expected him to retract that statement 30 years later when it was obvious there was no such thing. They just accepted he'd made a statement on the available evidence. Just like Flannery. Did you get upset when the TV Weathergirl announces rain the next day and it's nice and sunny instead or do you accept that they got their prediction wrong? Cheesy

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King FriYAY II Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2109	Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers Reply #7 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 12:19pm Ahhhh yes, the land will be so dry and hot you see, "that even the rain that does fall won't make it into the dams". Another Flannery comment.....
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers Reply #8 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 12:21pm Ah yes, that was the other one. Thanks for reminding us. There must be more of these scaremongers but they don't come any better than our Tim.
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #9 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."

Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject.

Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction.

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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #10 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:32pm

Kytro wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."

Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject.

Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction.

And yet you say the exact opposite. Grin

Re: Climate fraudsters at it again
Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm:
I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week. couldn't be more wrong if they tried. I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs.

Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show!

Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is.
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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #11 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:38pm

Rider wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Kytro wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."

Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject.

Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction.

And yet you say the exact opposite. Grin

Re: Climate fraudsters at it again
Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm:
I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week. couldn't be more wrong if they tried. I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs.

Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show!

Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is.
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How is this the opposite to what I said?

I said weather isn't climate and it's harder to predict.

I also said that climate change makes predictions that extreme events are more likely and that the dam being dry wasn't a specific prediction climate change models make.

How are these things in opposition to each other?

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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #12 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:34pm

Kytro wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Rider wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Kytro wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."

Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject.

Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction.

And yet you say the exact opposite. Grin

Re: Climate fraudsters at it again
Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm:
I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week. couldn't be more wrong if they tried. I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs.

Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show!

Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is.
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How is this the opposite to what I said?

I said weather isn't climate and it's harder to predict.

I also said that climate change makes predictions that extreme events are more likely and that the dam being dry wasn't a specific prediction climate change models make.

How are these things in opposition to each other?

You are in a tailspin now!
Weather is not climate unless it is extreme weather which is climate change. Fraud is still a crime you know.

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Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers
Reply #13 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:55pm

Kytro wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Rider wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Kytro wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."

Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject.

Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction.

And yet you say the exact opposite. Grin

Re: Climate fraudsters at it again
Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm:
I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week. couldn't be more wrong if they tried. I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs.

Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show!

Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is.
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How is this the opposite to what I said?

I said weather isn't climate and it's harder to predict.

I also said that climate change makes predictions that extreme events are more likely and that the dam being dry wasn't a specific prediction climate change models make.

How are these things in opposition to each other?

Shot in the arze & you're to blame
You give science a bad name
Fraudsters play their part
& you swallow their game
You give science a bad name

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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: A roll-call of climate hoaxers Reply #14 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 10:01pm Rider wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:34pm: You are in a tailspin now! Weather is not climate unless it is extreme weather which is climate change. Fraud is still a crime you know. What are you harping on about? Weather isn't climate, but climate definitely affects the weather, I never said or implied otherwise.
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