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Reply #45 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 10:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Hi Aussie.
Gandalf was here tonight:

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He did nothing.
He is allowing snuff movie pics on his Islam section.

You'll find I am online most of the time - 24/7. But that just means my PC is on and the ozpolitic site is open. It doesn't mean I am looking at stuff. Cut me some slack.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: I think the Foley murderer looks like Stallone
Reply #47 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 10:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 10:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Hi Aussie.
Gandalf was here tonight:

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Last Online:
Today at 10:02pm

He did nothing.
He is allowing snuff movie pics on his Islam section.

You'll find I am online most of the time - 24/7. But that just means my PC is on and the ozpolitic site is open. It doesn't mean I am looking at stuff. Cut me some slack.

Am I forgiven in Christ's light?

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Reply #48 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 10:53pm

They gave us stories about Iraq's WMDs and fake Bin Laden videos. Now another fake video.

Experts say execution staged. Add to this that he was supposed to be in Syrian Government custody:

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Video of James Foley beheading 'may have been staged'

A film purporting to show the beheading of James Foley was probably staged, according to a forensic science company...

...A blip in the footage, released on social media last week by Islamic State militants, indicated that Foley may have had to repeat a line as he read a script to camera while kneeling in the sand with his hands tied.

The footage was most likely edited later using "slick post-production techniques", according to the analysis for The Times in London by an unnamed international forensic science company that has worked for police forces across Britain, the news organisation claimed.

There was also no blood on Foley's neck as the masked militant appeared to drew a knife across his neck...

..."I think it has been staged," one of the forensic experts told the news organisation...

...amera trickery appeared to have been used.
Foley's words, which ran for one minute and 26 seconds, appeared to have been scripted, according to the analysis.
The militant was wearing a full-face mask, but the analysis concluded he was speaking the words in the footage.
The company also analysed the start of the supposed beheading.

"After enhancements, the knife can be seen to be drawn across the upper neck at least six times, with no blood evidence to the point the picture fades to black," the analysis said, noting that sounds allegedly made by Foley did not appear consistent with what would be expected.

theage.com.au/world/video-of-james-foley-beheading-may-have-been-staged-20140825
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...In May 2013, GlobalPost, one of the news organisations Foley had worked for, reported he was being held in a Damascus prison run by Syrian Air Force Intelligence...

au.news.yahoo.com/a/24758283/james-foley-islamic-state-releases-video-which-it-c
laims-shows-beheading-of-captured-american-journalist/

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 110522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: I think the Foley murderer looks like Stallone Reply #49 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 10:54pm Karnal wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 10:51pm: What about a few harmless homo pics? For Bobbie? Karnal is cattle country - we string them homos up - yee haaa
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Re: I think the Foley murderer looks like Stallone
Reply #50 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:01pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

They gave us stories about Iraq's WMDs and fake Bin Laden videos. Now another fake video.

Experts say execution staged. Add to this that he was supposed to be in Syrian Government custody:

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Video of James Foley beheading 'may have been staged'

A film purporting to show the beheading of James Foley was probably staged, according to a forensic science company...

...A blip in the footage, released on social media last week by Islamic State militants, indicated that Foley may have had to repeat a line as he read a script to camera while kneeling in the sand with his hands tied.

The footage was most likely edited later using "slick post-production techniques", according to the analysis for The Times in London by an unnamed international forensic science company that has worked for police forces across Britain, the news organisation claimed.

There was also no blood on Foley's neck as the masked militant appeared to drew a knife across his neck...

..."I think it has been staged," one of the forensic experts told the news organisation...

...amera trickery appeared to have been used.
Foley's words, which ran for one minute and 26 seconds, appeared to have been scripted, according to the analysis.
The militant was wearing a full-face mask, but the analysis concluded he was speaking the words in the footage.
The company also analysed the start of the supposed beheading.

"After enhancements, the knife can be seen to be drawn across the upper neck at least six times, with no blood evidence to the point the picture fades to black," the analysis said, noting that sounds allegedly made by Foley did not appear consistent with what would be expected.

theage.com.au/world/video-of-james-foley-beheading-may-have-been-staged-20140825
-1082n4.html

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...In May 2013, GlobalPost, one of the news organisations Foley had worked for, reported he was being held in a Damascus prison run by Syrian Air Force Intelligence...

au.news.yahoo.com/a/24758283/james-foley-islamic-state-releases-video-which-it-c
laims-shows-beheading-of-captured-american-journalist/

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CIA's secret Iraq weapon revealed: a Saddam gay sex tape

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Yeas, I've read all the stuff of today about it being fake, as it may well be for all I know. But......why bother faking it? What is gained.

What is ISIS gonna say? "Don't be mad at us.....while we really did behead Foley, we did not video it. That was a fake."

Huh?

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Reply #52 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:13pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Yeas, I've read all the stuff of today about it being fake, as it may well be for all I know. But......why bother faking it? What is gained.

What is ISIS gonna say? "Don't be mad at us.....while we really did behead Foley, we did not video it. That was a fake."

Huh?

If the video is fake then it raises questions such as who actually made it.

What is gained by faking it? Well, that is a good question. The Syrian,Iraqi and US governments would benefit through manipulating public opinion against IS. There are others who would also benefit.

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Re: I think the Foley murderer looks like Stallone
Reply #53 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 10:52pm:

Am I forgiven in Christ's light?

Repent on the Quran and then recite the shahada - and then I might spare you.

Yet your hero Muhammad was a Christian who spread the Gospel all over the Middle East.

That's not something they will tell you at the Mosque.

you are forgiven

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Re: I think the Foley murderer looks like Stallone
Reply #54 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:16pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Yeas, I've read all the stuff of today about it being fake, as it may well be for all I know. But......why bother faking it? What is gained.

What is ISIS gonna say? "Don't be mad at us.....while we really did behead Foley, we did not video it. That was a fake."

Huh?

If the video is fake then it raises questions such as who actually made it.

What is gained by faking it? Well, that is a good question. The Syrian,Iraqi and US governments would benefit through manipulating public opinion against IS. There are others who would also benefit.

It wasn't fake

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Re: I think the Foley murderer looks like Stallone
Reply #55 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:24pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Yeas, I've read all the stuff of today about it being fake, as it may well be for all I know. But......why bother faking it? What is gained.

What is ISIS gonna say? "Don't be mad at us.....while we really did behead Foley, we did not video it. That was a fake."

Huh?

If the video is fake then it raises questions such as who actually made it.

What is gained by faking it? Well, that is a good question. The Syrian,Iraqi and US governments would benefit through manipulating public opinion against IS. There are others who would also benefit.

You have misunderstood me. ISIS killed him......but maybe not as videoed. He was obviously beheaded at some time. My question was.....what does ISIS gain by the fake. The answer is ~ zero ~ so why bother with the fake? Maybe it is not a fake.

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Reply #56 - Aug 26^th, 2014 at 2:10am

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...Here are four reasons why the video could not have shown a real execution.

No Islamic Word Spoken

The spoken language in the video is English. Even though the masked militant in the video talked about Muslim interest which the Islamic State appeared to be protecting, there is hardly any Islamic word spoken during the video. Middle Eastern Muslims use words like "Inshallah" pretty often during a conversation. More importantly, there is no Islamic chant during the execution. It is almost a certainty that Islamic terrorists say "Allahu Akbar" while killing a hostage. Past execution videos show such practice, but there is no such thing in this video.

The Polished Look in Video

The video is apparently too polished to have come from a Middle Eastern militant organisation. There are several other terror videos which are circulated online. However, those videos are generally amateur-looking with poor audio and video quality. The James Foley execution video was shot on HD camera. Multiple angles of the video indicate that the video could have been shot with more than one camera.The audio is extremely clean as professional audio equipment is used to record the voice. The video has a refined look which seems to be the result of professional editing. All these elements are pretty unlikely for any terrorist video in the past.

The Unusual Censoring

Even though the video is meant to portray violence of extreme form and spread severe terror for anyone who watches it, the video is censored for some unknown reasons. The actual beheading is never shown in the video. The video fades to black the moment the beheading starts and then fades in the bloody image of the decapitated on the body. One may wonder why the Islamic State decided to show such restraint by not showing the real act of terror. More emphasis is given on words and verbal threats than action, which is another unlikely element for such a dangerous organisation.

Possible Special Effects Use

There are multiple YouTube videos which suggest how the execution could have shot like it is done in Hollywood movies. Green screen could have been used for the location. The decapitated head could be created with the modern make-up facilities. Iraq is a pretty dusty place, especially those places where the militants are supposed to stay. However, the masked militants black dress looks neat. Even the shoes are not quite dusty.

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Reply #58 - Aug 26^th, 2014 at 2:44am

The Foley character is clearly CIA.

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...In 2006, Foley worked for USAID-funded development projects in Baghdad, Iraq. An he was embedded journalist with US troops in Iraq, where his brother was serving as an officer in the US air force...

...Foley went to Libya to cover the uprising against Muammar Gaddafi, embedding himself with rebel fighters (Libyan Civil War). Foley and three other journalists were detained near Brega, Libya, by forces loyal to Gaddafi; fellow photojournalist Anton Hammerl was killed in the attack in which Foley was captured...

...Sources close to the family said that at one point they believed he was kidnapped by Shabiha militia, a group loyal to the Syrian regime. He was later reportedly held in a Syrian Air Force Intelligence complex in Damascus...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Foley_(photojournalist)

Foley worked for the US Agency for International Development which is basically a front for the CIA:

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A US program in Cuba that secretly used an HIV-prevention workshop for political activism was criticised yesterday by international public health officials and members of congress, who said such clandestine efforts put health programs at risk around the world.

Beginning in late 2009, the US Agency for International Development deployed nearly a dozen young people from Latin America to Cuba to recruit political activists, an Associated Press investigation found...

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Reply #59 - Aug 26^th, 2014 at 11:07am

Syrian Government caught out making up obvious lies:

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Claim James Foley was killed last year rejected by family

The family and the employer of murdered journalist James Foley have rejected a claim that he was actually killed a year ago.

The chief executive of the Global Post said it was a "disgrace" that the claim had ever been published.

Bouthaina Shabaan, Syrian president Bashar al-Assad's official spokeswoman, told the BBC that the United Nations had 'information' that Foley was arrested by the Free Syrian Army then sold to ISIS.

"James Foley was killed a year ago, not now, they [Islamic State] only released the pictures now, but he was killed a year ago," she said, according to the Daily Mail. "We have definite information, the UN has the information."

However the claim is contradicted by the testimony of several hostages who were in captivity with Foley.

Danish photographer Daniel Ottosen spent 13 months alongside Foley, during which time he memorised a letter from him to his family.

Ottosen dictated the letter to Foley's mother Diane in June after his release.

Phil Balboni, CEO of Foley's employer the Global Post, has revealed he and Foley's brother received the first message from his captors in late November last year, saying they were ready to negotiate for his release and asking for money.

The message was followed by five or six more which "gave us the opportunity to ask proof-of-life questions", Mr Balboni said.
In the last email, in August this year, his captors said they would execute Foley.

In response to Syria's claim, Balboni said it was "totally false and contradicted by a very significant body of incontrovertible evidence", the London Telegraph reported.

"We have multiple eyewitness accounts from hostages held with Jim as recently as last month. It's a disgrace that this was ever broadcast or published," he said...

smh.com.au/world/claim-james-foley-was-killed-last-year-rejected-by-family-20140
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