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Aug 20^th, 2014 at 1:20pm

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..............A few weeks ago a large crowd of mostly young men assembled outside the Lakemba Hotel. Waving black flags, the men chanted: “Palestine is Muslim land. The solution is jihad.”

I asked a non-Islamic local about that night. “You should see them when they really go off,” she said. “That was nothing.” Another non-Islamic woman said young men sometimes shouted “sharmuta” at her from their cars. She looked up the word online and discovered it was an Arabic term for prostitute.

Across the road from the hotel is the Islamic Bookstore, which bills itself as “your superstore of Islamic knowledge”. Three books caught my eye. Here’s an extract from Muhammad bin Jamil Zino’s “What a Muslim Should Believe”, a handy Q & A guide to the Koran’s instructions:

“Question 43: Is it allowed to support and love disbelievers? “Answer: No, it is not allowed.” ............

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/last-drinks-in-lakemba-tim-blair-takes...

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..........“Men’s perfection is because of various reasons: intelligence, religion, etc,” Hakim explains. “At most, four women have this perfection.”

Mix this level of ignorance and loathing with the Islamic community’s high rate of unemployment, and conflict is inevitable. The Islamic riots of 2012 ended up in central Sydney but began here in Lakemba and surrounding suburbs, where seething young Muslims formed their plans, including printing signs reading “Behead all those who insult the prophet”...............

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: lakemba exposed Reply #1 - Aug 20^th, 2014 at 1:28pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 1:20pm: islam is for extremists ALL religion is. That includes Christianity, if you didn't understand it Sprint!
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: lakemba exposed Reply #2 - Aug 20^th, 2014 at 3:56pm Lol at muslim land. 50% of lakemba are non muslims. Yeah there might be one pub in holden, but there are numerous bottle shops,RSL'S and churches in lakemba.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 22796 ACT Gender:	Re: lakemba exposed Reply #3 - Aug 20^th, 2014 at 4:20pm wally1 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 3:56pm: Lol at muslim land. 50% of lakemba are non muslims. Yeah there might be one pub in holden, but there are numerous bottle shops,RSL'S and churches in lakemba. Good to hear, I hope the locals are all disgusting pisspots the spew in the streets and stuff!! Stick it up them I say!
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: lakemba exposed Reply #4 - Aug 20^th, 2014 at 6:22pm Welcome to Muslim land
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: lakemba exposed Reply #5 - Aug 20^th, 2014 at 6:34pm The only think exposed was tired intolerance by the DT. There was an excellent rebuttal by an SBS journalist who actually knows what he's talking about. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/08/19/comment-enough-fear-mongering-lets...
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Reply #6 - Aug 20^th, 2014 at 6:43pm

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Of course, a good way to understand people from different countries is to learn their language. A handful of Arabic and Bangla goes a long way to helping make my walk to Haldon St less terrifying.

Which country do we live in again? The author suggests we learn these peoples languages in an effort to understand them. See any flaw in this thinking? of cpurse we couldnt expect migrants to this country especially middle eastern ones to actually attempt to learn our language.

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Reply #7 - Aug 20^th, 2014 at 8:08pm

ian wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

yes.
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Of course, a good way to understand people from different countries is to learn their language. A handful of Arabic and Bangla goes a long way to helping make my walk to Haldon St less terrifying.

Which country do we live in again? The author suggests we learn these peoples languages in an effort to understand them. See any flaw in this thinking? of cpurse we couldnt expect migrants to this country especially middle eastern ones to actually attempt to learn our language.

They need to learn "our language" in order to function, when dealing with the wider community but they don't, when dealing with one another. Where I grew up, it was common to hear Greek, Italian, Serbian, Croatian, German and a few other languages thrown in, when you walked down the main street. Many Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descended Australians for some reason fear people speaking languages different to the modified English they're familiar with.

My daughter often remarks that she is mistaken for English because she went to school in South Australia where words and letters are taught to be pronounced properly, unlike many other parts of Australia where words and letters are slurred and ignored. It irks her that to many of her fellow Australians she's a stranger, merely because her accent is different. Immigrants from overseas must feel similar, with the way many Australians treat them. Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 3:11pm

ian wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

of cpurse we couldnt expect migrants to this country especially middle eastern ones to actually attempt to learn our language.

Typical narrow minded attitude thats still kicking from the 1960s...

Middle easterners *DO* learn our language. But learning a language is so much more than simply being able to converse, its ingrained in culture. We have moved away from 'assimilation' policies vis-a-vis new migrants - we have accepted the principles of cultural pluralism for making a richer and more productive society. Therefore it is reasonable to expect us "natives" to familiarise ourselves with the cultures we have willingly decided to accept as part of our society. Just as those cultures are expected to familiarise themselves with ours. And understanding the languages of these cultures is pivotal - especially for a culture like the arabs, where understanding their culture is inseparable from understanding their language.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41204 Gender:	Re: lakemba exposed Reply #9 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 3:19pm Quote: ..........51% of the people living in Lakemba are employed full time, 30.3% are working on a part time basis. Lakemba has an unemployment rate of 11.7%.... .. [urlhttp://localstats.qpzm.com.au/stats/nsw/sydney/canterbury-bankstown/lakemba][/url] lakemba muslim ghetto
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: lakemba exposed Reply #10 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 3:34pm Pap. Not speaking the language is in no way enriching. And line that we have an obligation to understand (ie accept) their culture and customs is outrageous nonsense.
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FD Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 100364	Re: lakemba exposed Reply #11 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 4:30pm Soren wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 3:34pm: Pap. No, old chap, it's perfectly decent cheese. Mormor made it herself - from locally sourced ingredients if I'm not mistaken.
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Reply #12 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 4:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 8:08pm:

ian wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

yes.
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Of course, a good way to understand people from different countries is to learn their language. A handful of Arabic and Bangla goes a long way to helping make my walk to Haldon St less terrifying.

Which country do we live in again? The author suggests we learn these peoples languages in an effort to understand them. See any flaw in this thinking? of cpurse we couldnt expect migrants to this country especially middle eastern ones to actually attempt to learn our language.

They need to learn "our language" in order to function, when dealing with the wider community but they don't, when dealing with one another. Where I grew up, it was common to hear Greek, Italian, Serbian, Croatian, German and a few other languages thrown in, when you walked down the main street.

Yes, and the old boy likes Danish.

Hates Islam, loves Danish.

Rich tapestry, innit.

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Reply #13 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 5:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 3:11pm:

ian wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

of cpurse we couldnt expect migrants to this country especially middle eastern ones to actually attempt to learn our language.

Typical narrow minded attitude thats still kicking from the 1960s...

Middle easterners *DO* learn our language. But learning a language is so much more than simply being able to converse, its ingrained in culture. We have moved away from 'assimilation' policies vis-a-vis new migrants - we have accepted the principles of cultural pluralism for making a richer and more productive society. Therefore it is reasonable to expect us "natives" to familiarise ourselves with the cultures we have willingly decided to accept as part of our society. Just as those cultures are expected to familiarise themselves with ours. And understanding the languages of these cultures is pivotal - especially for a culture like the arabs, where understanding their culture is inseparable from understanding their language.

I take exception to being told I need to learn the culture and language of migrants to this country in order that i may understand them. If they wish to live here they themselves need to fit in or fck off. I would expect no other attitude from the citizens of any country I myself wished to emigrate to.

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Reply #14 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 5:08pm

ian wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 5:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 3:11pm:

ian wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

of cpurse we couldnt expect migrants to this country especially middle eastern ones to actually attempt to learn our language.

Typical narrow minded attitude thats still kicking from the 1960s...

Middle easterners *DO* learn our language. But learning a language is so much more than simply being able to converse, its ingrained in culture. We have moved away from 'assimilation' policies vis-a-vis new migrants - we have accepted the principles of cultural pluralism for making a richer and more productive society. Therefore it is reasonable to expect us "natives" to familiarise ourselves with the cultures we have willingly decided to accept as part of our society. Just as those cultures are expected to familiarise themselves with ours. And understanding the languages of these cultures is pivotal - especially for a culture like the arabs, where understanding their culture is inseparable from understanding their language.

I take exception to being told I need to learn the culture and language of migrants to this country in order that i may understand them. If they wish to live here they themselves need to fit in or fck off. I would expect no other attitude from the citizens of any country I myself wished to emigrate to.

Why do you assume they want you need to understand an overheard conversation? If the conversation included you as a participant and it involved the likelihood of a sale, don't you think they'd be more than willing to accommodate you as part of it? Grin

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