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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #15 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:24pm

lee wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 9:23pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:09pm:

3 points Lee.

1. Atmospheric warming is not monotonic.

2. There is no pause in global warming if you honestly factor in the warming of the oceans.

3. If you cherry pick the right dates you can statistically manufacture a pause in atmospheric warming. But only if you are deliberately trying to hide the truth. A more honest appraisal tells us something very different.

Are you talking AGW or global warming generally?

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #16 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:27pm

Rider wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:21pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:09pm:

3 points Lee.

1. Atmospheric warming is not monotonic.

2. There is no pause in global warming if you honestly factor in the warming of the oceans.

3. If you cherry pick the right dates you can statistically manufacture a pause in atmospheric warming. But only if you are deliberately trying to hide the truth. A more honest appraisal tells us something very different.

So how many degrees have these oceans warmed up then?

DO YOU KNOW THAT TEMPERATURE IS JUST AN INDICATOR Cheesy

THAT IS WHY ERROR VALUES ARE NEEDED... ALL MEASUREMENTS ARE TAKEN WITH INDICATORS AND SO ALL MEASUREMENTS HAVE ERROR VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM: DO YOU EVEN COMPREHEND WHAT i'M SAYING BRO?

OF COURSE YOU DO... VESTED INTERESTS KNOW ENOUGH Cool

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #17 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:28pm

lee wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:59am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Surely must make you wonder, lee, why we're experiencing record high monthly temperatures even with such a weak El Niño effect.

But that's only if you accept NOOA above its stablemate NCEP.

OOOH, MORE WEDGES Shocked

SERIOUSLY, IS THIS LIKE A GAME PLAYED WITH YOUNG CHILDREN?

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #19 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:38pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 8:17pm:

You do realise that 'months' are a man made concept, don't you?

Too funny Grin

uM, "WHAT ISN'T A MAN-MADE CONCEPT?", MAY I ASK THE ENLIGHTENED ONE CALLED GREGGERY Shocked

SEE, sheeple, this is where the toad hole hits the (insert whatever makes sense here!): measurement is a man made concept and science admits it with error values!!

"Why bother measuring yadda yadda to try and measure yadda yadda in the first place?"(the art of science if you will Shocked

)..............oooooooooh 'nother man-made contrivance there greggy you sure got your work cut out for you maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate Roll Eyes

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #20 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:35am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:27pm:

Rider wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:21pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:09pm:

3 points Lee.

1. Atmospheric warming is not monotonic.

2. There is no pause in global warming if you honestly factor in the warming of the oceans.

3. If you cherry pick the right dates you can statistically manufacture a pause in atmospheric warming. But only if you are deliberately trying to hide the truth. A more honest appraisal tells us something very different.

So how many degrees have these oceans warmed up then?

DO YOU KNOW THAT TEMPERATURE IS JUST AN INDICATOR Cheesy

THAT IS WHY ERROR VALUES ARE NEEDED... ALL MEASUREMENTS ARE TAKEN WITH INDICATORS AND SO ALL MEASUREMENTS HAVE ERROR VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM: DO YOU EVEN COMPREHEND WHAT i'M SAYING BRO?

OF COURSE YOU DO... VESTED INTERESTS KNOW ENOUGH Cool

Divergence. When reality trumps fraud.

http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/01/divergence-between-model-temperature-and-reality-reaches-record-high-and-is-now-accelerating/

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #21 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 8:58am

Rider wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:35am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:27pm:

Rider wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:21pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:09pm:

3 points Lee.

1. Atmospheric warming is not monotonic.

2. There is no pause in global warming if you honestly factor in the warming of the oceans.

3. If you cherry pick the right dates you can statistically manufacture a pause in atmospheric warming. But only if you are deliberately trying to hide the truth. A more honest appraisal tells us something very different.

So how many degrees have these oceans warmed up then?

DO YOU KNOW THAT TEMPERATURE IS JUST AN INDICATOR Cheesy

THAT IS WHY ERROR VALUES ARE NEEDED... ALL MEASUREMENTS ARE TAKEN WITH INDICATORS AND SO ALL MEASUREMENTS HAVE ERROR VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM: DO YOU EVEN COMPREHEND WHAT i'M SAYING BRO?

OF COURSE YOU DO... VESTED INTERESTS KNOW ENOUGH Cool

Divergence. When reality trumps fraud.

http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/01/divergence-between-model-temperature-and-reality-reaches-record-high-and-is-now-accelerating/

Do you know the difference between an equation and a relationship?

Cheesy

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #22 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 11:42am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 8:58am:

Rider wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:35am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:27pm:

Rider wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:21pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:09pm:

3 points Lee.

1. Atmospheric warming is not monotonic.

2. There is no pause in global warming if you honestly factor in the warming of the oceans.

3. If you cherry pick the right dates you can statistically manufacture a pause in atmospheric warming. But only if you are deliberately trying to hide the truth. A more honest appraisal tells us something very different.

So how many degrees have these oceans warmed up then?

DO YOU KNOW THAT TEMPERATURE IS JUST AN INDICATOR Cheesy

THAT IS WHY ERROR VALUES ARE NEEDED... ALL MEASUREMENTS ARE TAKEN WITH INDICATORS AND SO ALL MEASUREMENTS HAVE ERROR VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM: DO YOU EVEN COMPREHEND WHAT i'M SAYING BRO?

OF COURSE YOU DO... VESTED INTERESTS KNOW ENOUGH Cool

Divergence. When reality trumps fraud.

http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/01/divergence-between-model-temperature-and-reality-reaches-record-high-and-is-now-accelerating/

Do you know the difference between an equation and a relationship?

Cheesy

Sure. Do you know the difference between bovine and equine excrement?

Cause either of these is all that you've got.

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #23 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 12:11pm

Rider wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 11:42am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 8:58am:

Rider wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:35am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:27pm:

Rider wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:21pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:09pm:

3 points Lee.

1. Atmospheric warming is not monotonic.

2. There is no pause in global warming if you honestly factor in the warming of the oceans.

3. If you cherry pick the right dates you can statistically manufacture a pause in atmospheric warming. But only if you are deliberately trying to hide the truth. A more honest appraisal tells us something very different.

So how many degrees have these oceans warmed up then?

DO YOU KNOW THAT TEMPERATURE IS JUST AN INDICATOR Cheesy

THAT IS WHY ERROR VALUES ARE NEEDED... ALL MEASUREMENTS ARE TAKEN WITH INDICATORS AND SO ALL MEASUREMENTS HAVE ERROR VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM: DO YOU EVEN COMPREHEND WHAT i'M SAYING BRO?

OF COURSE YOU DO... VESTED INTERESTS KNOW ENOUGH Cool

Divergence. When reality trumps fraud.

http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/01/divergence-between-model-temperature-and-reality-reaches-record-high-and-is-now-accelerating/

Do you know the difference between an equation and a relationship?

Cheesy

Sure. Do you know the difference between bovine and equine excrement?

Cause either of these is all that you've got.

Oh, you're saying i didn't check out your link Grin

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #24 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 12:50pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 8:17pm:

You do realise that 'months' are a man made concept, don't you?

Too funny Grin

uM, "WHAT ISN'T A MAN-MADE CONCEPT?", MAY I ASK THE ENLIGHTENED ONE CALLED GREGGERY Shocked

Weather, and climate.

You're trying to analyse forces of nature by applying man-made abstract concepts.

Too funny Grin

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #25 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 12:53pm

The IPCC the suppository of all knowledge AGW states=

'that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. - IPCC AR5 WG1 Summary for Policymakers[13]'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#CITEREFIPCC_AR5_WG12013

That includes the ref #13 for those that don't like wiki.

So that means there are other warming mechanisms. Because there are other warming mechanisms temperatures will continue to increase naturally, until we get a cooling.

That CO2 is the dominant driver, as per IPCC, means that the increasing levels of CO2 should be increasing the trend over and above natural increases. However the trend has been flat. It doesn't necessarily mean that there are no increases. Although some satellite data and radiosonde seems to suggest that may be the case.

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #26 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 1:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 12:50pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 8:17pm:

You do realise that 'months' are a man made concept, don't you?

Too funny Grin

uM, "WHAT ISN'T A MAN-MADE CONCEPT?", MAY I ASK THE ENLIGHTENED ONE CALLED GREGGERY Shocked

Weather, and climate.

You're trying to analyse forces of nature by applying man-made abstract concepts.

Too funny Grin

How else is analysis done, mr greggary?

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Re: El Niño - arriving later and weaker.
Reply #27 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 1:03pm

lee wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 12:53pm:

The IPCC the suppository of all knowledge AGW states=

'that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. - IPCC AR5 WG1 Summary for Policymakers[13]'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#CITEREFIPCC_AR5_WG12013

That includes the ref #13 for those that don't like wiki.

So that means there are other warming mechanisms. Because there are other warming mechanisms temperatures will continue to increase naturally, until we get a cooling.

That CO2 is the dominant driver, as per IPCC, means that the increasing levels of CO2 should be increasing the trend over and above natural increases. However the trend has been flat. It doesn't necessarily mean that there are no increases. Although some satellite data and radiosonde seems to suggest that may be the case.

GO THE WEDGE, i mean ------------------> FUD Roll Eyes

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