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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21609 Gender:	Re: Warmest June ever recorded. Reply #30 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 3:45pm MOTR, BTW my area of WA is not warmer than average. Map by weatherBELL based on NCEP/NOOA data. I don't know how to shrink this. It gives a temperature scale on the right hand side if you click on the image.
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Reply #31 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 8:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:06am:

When the experts are virtually certain of something it's beyond madness not to act.

Really?

http://www.hermes-press.com/WMD5.gif

Don't quite get the analogy. If you recall the arms inspectors at the time were telling us that there were no WMD.

It's why I marched against our invasion of Iraq.

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HANS BLIX: Well, at the time, we were saying that we had carried out a great many inspections and that we did not find any weapons of mass destruction, and we also voiced some criticism of the some cases that the US Secretary of State Colin Powell had demonstrated in the Security Council. My colleague, Mr. ElBaradei, who was the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, had revealed that the alleged contract between Iraq and the state of Niger in Africa for the import of uranium oxide was a forgery and that the — also the tubes of aluminum, which had been alleged to be for making of centrifuges to enrich uranium, they most likely were not for that purpose.
So while the evidence that had been advanced from the US side and the UK side had been very weakened, we had carried out some 700 inspections without finding any evidence at all, and we had actually been to something like three dozen sites, which were given to us by intelligence, and had been able to tell them that, no, there was nothing in them, so that all allegations had been weakened very much, but not to the point of saying that there is nothing, because to prove that there is nothing is really impossible.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Reply #32 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 5:11am

lee wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

MOTR, BTW my area of WA is not warmer than average.

http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_062014.png

Map by weatherBELL based on NCEP/NOOA data.

I don't know how to shrink this. It gives a temperature scale on the right hand side if you click on the image.

That's why it is called global warming.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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“What’s the take home message,...
Reply #33 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 10:48am

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“What’s the take home message, if you ask me?” Dr Box writes.
EARTH 2.0: Can we find it fast enough?

“Because elevated atmospheric carbon from fossil fuel burning is the trigger mechanism poking the climate dragon. The trajectory we’re on is to awaken a runaway climate heating that will ravage global agricultural systems leading to mass famine, conflict. Sea level rise will be a small problem by comparison. We simply MUST lower atmospheric carbon emissions.

“There are still questions, of course, but the precautionary principle makes clear we have to keep this dragon in the ground.”

source: http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/are-siberias-methane-blowholes-the...

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Reply #34 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:08pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 5:11am:

That's why it is called global warming.

And yet it shows at best regional warming. The Blue areas are below average. With the white at average.

Most of the oceans show some heating but they are all satellite data.

It has been noted that there are some problems with satellite data as the measure brightness, clearer skies mean more reflectivity, means higher readings.

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Reply #35 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:17pm

lee wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 5:11am:

That's why it is called global warming.

And yet it shows at best regional warming. The Blue areas are below average. With the white at average.

Most of the oceans show some heating but they are all satellite data.

It has been noted that there are some problems with satellite data as the measure brightness, clearer skies mean more reflectivity, means higher readings.

And there are far more red areas than blue areas.

That is why it is called global warming.

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Reply #36 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:40pm

lee wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 5:11am:

That's why it is called global warming.

And yet it shows at best regional warming. The Blue areas are below average. With the white at average.

Most of the oceans show some heating but they are all satellite data.

It has been noted that there are some problems with satellite data as the measure brightness, clearer skies mean more reflectivity, means higher readings.

the uncertainty principle... perhaps you should never post about science if you don't believe in it!

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Reply #37 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:47pm

But people are absolutely convinced of AGW, by the models.

The models are not science but a series of 'what ifs'.

The IPCC has admitted the models are running hot.

Two graphs from data of related entities, and, if you look at Australia only, a large (or apparently large, because we don't have a metric), discrepancy.

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Reply #38 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:09pm

lee wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:47pm:

But people are absolutely convinced of AGW, by the models.

The models are not science but a series of 'what ifs'.

The IPCC has admitted the models are running hot.

Two graphs from data of related entities, and, if you look at Australia only, a large (or apparently large, because we don't have a metric), discrepancy.

..you don't believe in science: why do you post about it!??!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21609 Gender:	Re: Warmest June ever recorded. Reply #39 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 2:02pm rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:17pm: That is why it is called global warming. So you use a misnomer to convince people. It obviously is not warming GLOBALLY. It looks to me to be more green, blue and white, but that's only a Mk 1 eyeball analysis.
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Reply #40 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 2:09pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:

.you don't believe in science: why do you post about it!??!

I do believe in science. The ECS (equilibrium climate sensitivity) factor is not science. And that is the step where they go from the science to estimating the effect of increased CO2.

'Climate scientists use a range of approaches to estimate ECS and TCR, including using climate models
that represent the relevant physics and chemistry and by analysing recent climate records and
paleoclimate reconstructions.

http://www.climatechange.gov.au/sites/climatechange/files/documents/09_2013/Factsheet_climate_sensitivity_CSIRO-Bureau.pdf

And seeing as the climate models are run on predictions of increased CO2, it becomes a circular argument.

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Reply #41 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 2:18pm

lee wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 2:02pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:17pm:

That is why it is called global warming.

So you use a misnomer to convince people. It obviously is not warming GLOBALLY.

It looks to me to be more green, blue and white, but that's only a Mk 1 eyeball analysis.

- unfortunately it is!

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Reply #42 - Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 12:36pm

The Guardian admits to 'the hiatus'- Excuse 31 (i think). Edit: #38

'The slowdown of average surface temperature rises in the last 15 years after decades of rapid warming has been seized on by climate change sceptics and has puzzled scientists, who have hypothesised that everything from volcanic eruptions and sulphur from Chinese power stations to heat being trapped deep in the oceans could be the cause. Several studies have focused on the Pacific as potentially playing a major role.

The new study, published in the journal Science on Thursday, concludes that the Pacific alone cannot explain the warming “hiatus” and that much of the heat being trapped by greenhouse gases at record levels in the atmosphere is being sunk hundreds of metres down in the Atlantic and Southern oceans.'

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/aug/21/global-warming-slowdown-answe...

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42328 Gender:	Re: Warmest June ever recorded. Reply #43 - Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 12:48pm and a very cold july/august
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Warmest June ever recorded. Reply #44 - Aug 24^th, 2014 at 7:27am lol MOTR you follow an emperor with no clothes My statement that we experienced the hottest ever homogenised, manipulated, fraudulent temperature ever what ever month and many more to come, stays and is defined in fact. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/23/australian-met-office-accused-of-manipulat... Among others.
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