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Re: Big poll slump for Labor in Victoria.
Reply #45 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

the point, rogue-poll buzz, is that the liberal support rose dramatically without obvious reason.

unless you consider the abbott factor.

for you even the bleeding obvious is not obvious,

the libs have spent several weeks now on a concerted advertising campaign smeering Daniel Andrews name implying he is corrupt because he was involved with the unions .. that is the obvious reason for the dent in the polls

unfortunately for the libs, it won't be enough, they'll still have their arse handed to them on a platter.

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Re: Big poll slump for Labor in Victoria.
Reply #46 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 2:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

the point, rogue-poll buzz, is that the liberal support rose dramatically without obvious reason.

unless you consider the abbott factor.

I'd be more inclined to call it the
MH17 factor
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Abbott
is riding it oh so MAJESTICALLY - to great success in the polls

If only that other "operation" could deliver press conferences on a daily basis ?

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Reply #47 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 2:49pm

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While MPs of all persuasions dismiss the veracity of opinion polling, Swinburne University state political specialist Brian Costar says they pay more attention than they let on.

“Looking at this week’s figures, it’s fair to say that 59-41 (per cent) poll was an aberration, a rogue poll really,” Professor Costar said.

“The gap of about 54 per cent to Labor, 46 to the Coalition looks pretty accurate and all the commentary has been that it’ll probably tighten further as we get closer to an election, with the Labor party still on trend to win.”

Health, education and public transport are the key three issues that have traditionally dominated state elections and on that note, Labor gets a tick of approval from this week’s opinion poll.

The Age-Nielsen survey found the ALP scored strongly with voter perception in the first two categories although on public transport, sentiment was reasonably even.

Respondents gave the Coalition the tick of approval for law and order, roads and managing the state budget — areas where Ted Baillieu campaigned strongly at the 2010 state election.

http://www.standard.net.au/story/2442721/targeting-the-victorian-state-election-...

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Re: Big poll slump for Labor in Victoria.
Reply #48 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 3:18pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Yep...when its all done and dusted and Abbott is still responsible for ... the budget and his toxic plans to beat up the sick, the poor and the old ...

Residents shocked after homeless couple, dog, found dead in car near Ballarat

July 26, 2014, 8:23 a.m

A young, homeless couple and their dog have been found dead in their car, apparently killed by a gas heater they were using to keep warm.

Police say the 27-year-old man and 24-year-old woman, both from Ballarat and believed to have been living in the car, were using a butane gas heater to keep the chill away when they died.

Officers found the bodies of the couple and their dog when they checked on the car parked at Smarts Hill Road, near Cardigan, about 9.30pm on Friday.

It is believed the heater may have contributed to their deaths, which the police are treating as accidental.

Paramedics were not called to the scene.

Nearby residents are still reeling from the tragedy.

A young, homeless couple and their dog have been found dead in their car, apparently killed by a gas heater they were using to keep warm.

Police say the 27-year-old man and 24-year-old woman, both from Ballarat and believed to have been living in the car, were using a butane gas heater to keep the chill away when they died.

Officers found the bodies of the couple and their dog when they checked on the car parked at Smarts Hill Road, near Cardigan, about 9.30pm on Friday.

It is believed the heater may have contributed to their deaths, which the police are treating as accidental.

Paramedics were not called to the scene.

Nearby residents are still reeling from the tragedy.

Sandra Jones, who also lives on Cuthberts Road near the intersection with Finches Road, said it was a terrible event.

"You know people are doing it tough, but sleeping in a car...," Ms Jones said.

Dr Bruce Redman from the Salvation Army said that "unfortunately, this is not an unheard of situation", and that the most common face of homelessness - someone sleeping rough in a park or in the doorway - only made up a small per cent of homeless people.

"The Salvos are finding more and more people who are resorting to live in their cars because of a lack of affordable accommodation options," he said.

"When it's summer, people tend to sleep on the beach or in their cars and no one really notices . But when it's cold, most people expect to have a roof over their heads, somewhere where they can stay warm."

Dr Redman said homelessness in regional cities was becoming a big issue, as people were increasingly leaving major cities like Melbourne in search of work in the country.

"But when they arrive, they find it hard to rent a house without a job or relevant references, and they don't know any one in the area," Dr Redman said.

The young couple's tragic deaths have touched the hearts of Victorians, who have taken to social media to express their sympathy.

"This is absolutely devastating. We need to do better," wrote one user.

Another wrote: "A very sad story. Too many young and out-of-sight Australians are suffering from untold poverty and disadvatange".

Rod Dickson, duty forecaster from the Bureau of Meteorology, said Ballarat had an overnight minimum of 7.6 degrees.

However, wind chill had the air feeling like 4 degrees, he said.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/2443392/residents-shocked-after-homeless-coup...

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Leigh • 4 hours ago

This is a stark reminder of the 'forgotten' people of Ballarat. While most of us sleep in our warm beds, others suffer.We like to think of ourselves as a caring community but are we really?

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Louise • 5 hours ago

However
Mr Hockey
thought we could have cut the budget more. Maybe the courier could send him a copy of this story.very sad.

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Re: Big poll slump for Labor in Victoria.
Reply #50 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:11pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Yep...when its all done and dusted and Abbott is still responsible for ... the budget and his toxic plans to beat up the sick, the poor and the old ...

Residents shocked after homeless couple, dog, found dead in car near Ballarat

July 26, 2014, 8:23 a.m

A young, homeless couple and their dog have been found dead in their car, apparently killed by a gas heater they were using to keep warm.

Police say the 27-year-old man and 24-year-old woman, both from Ballarat and believed to have been living in the car, were using a butane gas heater to keep the chill away when they died.

Officers found the bodies of the couple and their dog when they checked on the car parked at Smarts Hill Road, near Cardigan, about 9.30pm on Friday.

It is believed the heater may have contributed to their deaths, which the police are treating as accidental.

Paramedics were not called to the scene.

Nearby residents are still reeling from the tragedy.

A young, homeless couple and their dog have been found dead in their car, apparently killed by a gas heater they were using to keep warm.

Police say the 27-year-old man and 24-year-old woman, both from Ballarat and believed to have been living in the car, were using a butane gas heater to keep the chill away when they died.

Officers found the bodies of the couple and their dog when they checked on the car parked at Smarts Hill Road, near Cardigan, about 9.30pm on Friday.

It is believed the heater may have contributed to their deaths, which the police are treating as accidental.

Paramedics were not called to the scene.

Nearby residents are still reeling from the tragedy.

Sandra Jones, who also lives on Cuthberts Road near the intersection with Finches Road, said it was a terrible event.

"You know people are doing it tough, but sleeping in a car...," Ms Jones said.

Dr Bruce Redman from the Salvation Army said that "unfortunately, this is not an unheard of situation", and that the most common face of homelessness - someone sleeping rough in a park or in the doorway - only made up a small per cent of homeless people.

"The Salvos are finding more and more people who are resorting to live in their cars because of a lack of affordable accommodation options," he said.

"When it's summer, people tend to sleep on the beach or in their cars and no one really notices . But when it's cold, most people expect to have a roof over their heads, somewhere where they can stay warm."

Dr Redman said homelessness in regional cities was becoming a big issue, as people were increasingly leaving major cities like Melbourne in search of work in the country.

"But when they arrive, they find it hard to rent a house without a job or relevant references, and they don't know any one in the area," Dr Redman said.

The young couple's tragic deaths have touched the hearts of Victorians, who have taken to social media to express their sympathy.

"This is absolutely devastating. We need to do better," wrote one user.

Another wrote: "A very sad story. Too many young and out-of-sight Australians are suffering from untold poverty and disadvatange".

Rod Dickson, duty forecaster from the Bureau of Meteorology, said Ballarat had an overnight minimum of 7.6 degrees.

However, wind chill had the air feeling like 4 degrees, he said.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/2443392/residents-shocked-after-homeless-coup...

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Leigh • 4 hours ago

This is a stark reminder of the 'forgotten' people of Ballarat. While most of us sleep in our warm beds, others suffer.We like to think of ourselves as a caring community but are we really?

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Louise • 5 hours ago

However
Mr Hockey
thought we could have cut the budget more. Maybe the courier could send him a copy of this story.very sad.

http://static.fairfaxrural.com.au/multimedia/images/large/2072633.jpg

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Re: Big poll slump for Labor in Victoria.
Reply #51 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:36pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

Bam wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

7% rise in liberal support.... while in Victoria it means a loss, in every other state and federally it means a win.

Even after it's been explained numerous times, you still do not get it.

You were conspicuously silent when Labor in Victoria jumped to a huge 59-41 lead on one poll. Then when the next poll had figures much like the previous few polls - around the 54-46 mark - you suddenly come out of the woodwork and make grandiose claims about a swing to the Liberals, and the Federal Liberals to boot?

You really need to take some remedial statistics.

look dimwit. the libs just picked up a massive 7% rise in support. don't tell me it was anything the Vic Libs have done. so what was it then??? oh yeah.. MH17 and Tony Abbott...

get over it. I know as well as you do that such poll boosts are transitory and in VIC it will all go ina month or so. but federally, Abbott will retain some of this poll advantage because he has demonstrated without doubt his credentials as a strong leader.

he just gets funnier and funnier

Yes, you got to love the comedy value. What funniest is, he doesn't even realise that what he's saying is total crap.

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Re: Big poll slump for Labor in Victoria.
Reply #52 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:39pm

Bam wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

Bam wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

7% rise in liberal support.... while in Victoria it means a loss, in every other state and federally it means a win.

Even after it's been explained numerous times, you still do not get it.

You were conspicuously silent when Labor in Victoria jumped to a huge 59-41 lead on one poll. Then when the next poll had figures much like the previous few polls - around the 54-46 mark - you suddenly come out of the woodwork and make grandiose claims about a swing to the Liberals, and the Federal Liberals to boot?

You really need to take some remedial statistics.

look dimwit. the libs just picked up a massive 7% rise in support. don't tell me it was anything the Vic Libs have done. so what was it then??? oh yeah.. MH17 and Tony Abbott...

get over it. I know as well as you do that such poll boosts are transitory and in VIC it will all go ina month or so. but federally, Abbott will retain some of this poll advantage because he has demonstrated without doubt his credentials as a strong leader.

he just gets funnier and funnier

Yes, you got to love the comedy value. What funniest is, he doesn't even realise that what he's saying is total crap.

I think he does ...... but he gets paid to be creative

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Re: Big poll slump for Labor in Victoria.
Reply #53 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:50pm

Bam wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

Bam wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

7% rise in liberal support.... while in Victoria it means a loss, in every other state and federally it means a win.

Even after it's been explained numerous times, you still do not get it.

You were conspicuously silent when Labor in Victoria jumped to a huge 59-41 lead on one poll. Then when the next poll had figures much like the previous few polls - around the 54-46 mark - you suddenly come out of the woodwork and make grandiose claims about a swing to the Liberals, and the Federal Liberals to boot?

You really need to take some remedial statistics.

look dimwit. the libs just picked up a massive 7% rise in support. don't tell me it was anything the Vic Libs have done. so what was it then??? oh yeah.. MH17 and Tony Abbott...

get over it. I know as well as you do that such poll boosts are transitory and in VIC it will all go ina month or so. but federally, Abbott will retain some of this poll advantage because he has demonstrated without doubt his credentials as a strong leader.

he just gets funnier and funnier

Yes, you got to love the comedy value. What funniest is, he doesn't even realise that what he's saying is total crap.

like most lefties you don't understand the difference between LIE and PREDICTION. why don't we continue this conversation of the next few polling periods and see how it works out? My prediction was completely in line with historical experience.

got the balls to debate the ACTUAL outcome?

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