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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #45 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:04am

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

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Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

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Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

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[Deuteronomy 13:13-19]

My, reads very similar to the Q'ran, doesn't it? Lets see what else we can find in The Bible, shall we?

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Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
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[Deuteronomy 13:7-11]

Oh, dear, God telling his followers to kill non-believers. Just like the Muslims! Shocked

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Then the Lord said to Moses:

“Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.

Say to the Israelites: ‘Anyone who curses their God will be held responsible;

anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.

[Leviticus 24:10-16]

So, you're to be killed if you blaspheme? Just like the Muslims again.

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But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.

[Deuteronomy 18:20]

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For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.

[Exodus 31:15]

So, not much room there for accommodation of other religious beliefs, is there?

Plenty more of that sort of stuff in The Bible! Terrible! Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

You are lying, or at the least, misrepresenting the facts and circumstances.

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"Oh, dear, God telling his followers to kill non-believers. Just like the Muslims!"

As i have argued and presented previously, on numerous occasions, here on OzPol....

There is a difference between;
1/ killing someone because he does not believe what you believe [which is what ISLAM promotes - AND 'SANCTIFIES'],
AND,
2/ killing someone [as a punishment, however harsh that may seem to us] because he has broken a covenant which he entered into, and understood.

The ancient Hebrews were A COVENANT PEOPLE.

They had entered into a solemn covenant with their God.

Yadda said.....
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Exodus 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Leviticus 20:22
Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them:......

Leviticus 20:24
.......I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.

Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

Those penalties were to be against covenant breakers [among the children of Israel].

Against persons who had made a solemn agreement to keep themselves HOLY [in the presence of their God], but would count their covenant with their God as of no important 'consequence', and not worthy of keeping.

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Is God unreasonable

- to require that people who have made an agreement with him [God], and then break their part of the agreement, be punished, be killed ?

Not in my book.

I don't like people who make an agreement with me, ....and then later, 'break their word' [when they no longer want to do what they have agreed to do].

People who 'break their word', are unreliable.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #46 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:14am

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

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Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
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[Deuteronomy 13:7-11]

Oh, dear, God telling his followers to kill non-believers. Just like the Muslims! Shocked

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"Oh, dear, God telling his followers to kill non-believers. Just like the Muslims!"

IMAGE....

Brian_Ross,

You are lying, or at the least, misrepresenting the facts and circumstances.i
As the bible itself testifies.....
The ancient Hebrews HAD NO SANCTION FROM THEIR GOD TO MURDER THOSE WHO WERE NOT HEBREWS.

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

Brian_Ross,

We know that you;
hate God,
hate God's people,
love, STAND BESIDE, and defend those who are murderers,
slander, misrepresent, and malign God's people.

Go to hell.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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FD Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 100048	Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace Reply #47 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:25am Yes, effendes, Y sends out limitless love to all. It is the way of his prophet, no? Gud is great.
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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #48 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 11:16am

Yadda, you're showing so much love for Brian! Let it flow! Show us how good a Christian you really are!

What happened by the way to:

Love thy neighbour?
Turn the other cheek?
Forgiveness?
Love?

You know, all those admirable qualities that Christians claim they believe in? Grin

So, Brian isn't quoting from the Bible? He isn't telling us what God has told Christians and Jews how to act toward unbelievers? He isn't telling the truth?

So who inspired the Bible, Yadda? Who's instructions are being quoted except your Christian God's? Grin

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22594 A cat with a view	Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace Reply #49 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 12:08pm Yes, i'm a very, very naughty boy. Psalms 32:1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. 2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace Reply #50 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 2:51pm Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 12:08pm: Yes, i'm a very, very naughty boy. Worse, you're a sinner! Worse, you are a hypocrite. You claim to be a Christian but you don't live it's teachings. You will be damned forever in your hell!
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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #51 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:37pm

A groveling spineless apologist for muslims offering human sacrifices to their god allah.

quoted the following chapter and verses:

Deuteronomy 13:13-19 Deuteronomy 13:7-11 Leviticus 24:10-16 Exodus 31:15

It is generally accepted that the following chronological order and dates are accurate

1440 - 1400 B.C. the following books were authored

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, these books date back at least 3414 years.

This spineless bootlicking apologist for muslims who torture, mutilate and sacrifice human beings to the honour and glory of allah today 2014, disingenuously did not say that 2014 years ago Christ issued an edict regarding O.T. Law:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

So the spineless bootlicking apologist for muslims who (right now) torture, mutilate and sacrifice human beings to the honour and glory of allah today 2014, is desperately trying to show that islamic doctrine which muslims are following in the present, and has not ever been rescinded or altered, is no different to 3414 year old text of the Jews which Christ revoked 2014 years ago.

Bootlicking apologists who are giving moral support and sponsorship, to the present day muslims who are committing human rights atrocities of the most inhumane kind, by their cowardly attempts to excuse present day islamic text which is valid and binding on today's muslim, by quoting 3414 year old Jewish text which was annulled (by Christ) 2014 years ago.

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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #52 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:56pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Yes, i'm a very, very naughty boy.

Worse, you're a sinner! Worse, you are a hypocrite. You claim to be a Christian but you don't live it's teachings. You will be damned forever in your hell! Grin

Karmic Khristians aren't perfect, HB, just forgiven.

Gud is great, no?

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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #53 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:46pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:04am:

You are lying, or at the least, misrepresenting the facts and circumstances.

Prove it, Yadda.

Are you claiming those are not verses from The Bible which I'm quoting?

Are you claiming those are not instructions from your God to kill people who don't share your religion? Roll Eyes

As for you, Moses, what can I say? Are you claiming that God was wrong in telling it's followers to kill and destroy whole towns of non-believers and apostates? My, that's a big leap for you. What does that suggest about the level of your faith when you directly reject the instructions of your God? Roll Eyes

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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #54 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:50pm

FD wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Yes, i'm a very, very naughty boy.

Worse, you're a sinner! Worse, you are a hypocrite. You claim to be a Christian but you don't live it's teachings. You will be damned forever in your hell! Grin

Karmic Khristians aren't perfect, HB, just forgiven.

Gud is great, no?

Not sure on either of those statements, K. Afterall, they are denouncing their God's instructions. Surely that makes it difficult to believe them when they proclaim their Christianity and it's supposed superiority? Shocked

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FD Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 100048	Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace Reply #55 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:03pm That depends on which Gud you mean, BR. Y’s Gud is a jealous Gud. Y’s crowd killed Jesus.
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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #56 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:04am:

You are lying, or at the least, misrepresenting the facts and circumstances.

Prove it, Yadda.

Are you claiming those are not verses from The Bible which I'm quoting?

Are you claiming those are not instructions from your God to kill people who don't share your religion?

Brian_Ross

You seem to be asserting that there is a sanction in the bible, for 'believers' to kill non-Hebrews.

Are you claiming that these [following] verses, do not demolish such an assertion ?

As the bible itself testifies.....
The ancient Hebrews - HAD NO SANCTION FROM THEIR GOD TO MURDER THOSE WHO WERE NOT HEBREWS - because they were not Hebrews.

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

Yes, there is a sanction in the bible, In God's law [Torah], for the Hebrews to kill [some] LAW-BREAKERS and COVENANT BREAKERS.

But i'm sure that you are going to argue, that we [a society of men] must not kill [or separate ourselves from] the LAWLESS among us ?

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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #57 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:00pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:04am:

You are lying, or at the least, misrepresenting the facts and circumstances.

Prove it, Yadda.

Are you claiming those are not verses from The Bible which I'm quoting?

Are you claiming those are not instructions from your God to kill people who don't share your religion? Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross

You seem to be asserting that there is a sanction in the bible, for 'believers' to kill non-Hebrews.

Are you disputing that those verses clearly tell believers to kill non-believers, Yadda?

Are you claiming that my interpretation of The Bible is wrong? How dare you! You are a non-believer, an apostate, obviously!

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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #58 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:04am:

You are lying, or at the least, misrepresenting the facts and circumstances.

Prove it, Yadda.

Are you claiming those are not verses from The Bible which I'm quoting?

Are you claiming those are not instructions from your God to kill people who don't share your religion? Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross

You seem to be asserting that there is a sanction in the bible, for 'believers' to kill non-Hebrews.

Are you disputing that those verses clearly tell believers to kill non-believers, Yadda?

Clearly i am.

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Are you claiming that my interpretation of The Bible is wrong?

Clearly i am.

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How dare you! You are a non-believer, an apostate, obviously!

So, when you can't win the argument, you assume a new personality, ....Karnal #2.

Brian_Ross,

You are so opposed to truth [in debate], that when you can't win an argument/defend a position, logically,
....you simply resort to farce.

You are not worthy.

In another age, you would have been one of Joseph Goebbels underlings.

People like yourself, spit, on truth and liberty, ....and sacrifice.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #59 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 11:31pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:04am:

You are lying, or at the least, misrepresenting the facts and circumstances.

Prove it, Yadda.

Are you claiming those are not verses from The Bible which I'm quoting?

Are you claiming those are not instructions from your God to kill people who don't share your religion? Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross

You seem to be asserting that there is a sanction in the bible, for 'believers' to kill non-Hebrews.

Are you disputing that those verses clearly tell believers to kill non-believers, Yadda?

Clearly i am.

So, you're claiming that those are not valid quotes from The Bible? Really? Verses that according to you should be not taken literally as instructions to kill non-believers?

Oh, ye of little faith, Yadda! You will be drummed out of Bible Class, dishonourably! You will never enter your heaven! Roll Eyes

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So, when you can't win the argument, you assume a new personality, ....Karnal #2.

Nope, I've always used this personality. I don't suffer from Schizophrenia, Yadda. Grin

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You are so opposed to truth [in debate], that when you can't win an argument/defend a position, logically,
....you simply resort to farce.

Argument absurdium is a valid debating tactic, Yadda. All I am doing is applying YOUR logic that you use when attacking Muslims and their beliefs, to Christianity. Are you finding it uncomfortable to have the realities of what is written in your holy book thrown back at you? Perhaps you might reconsider your attitude towards Muslims? I doubt it, zealots rarely do.... Roll Eyes

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You are not worthy.

In another age, you would have been one of Joseph Goebbels underlings.

People like yourself, spit, on truth and liberty, ....and sacrifice.

Really? How can I when I am quoting directly from The Bible, Yadda?

I believe you are a backslider and a heretic, disputing the word of God in the way you are!

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