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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #30 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 3:09pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 2:48pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 2:32pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 24th, 2014 at 3:44pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 24th, 2014 at 2:14pm:
And being 'Zionist' is NOT an indicator of Judaism.


Agreed.  Loads of loony Christians are Zionists.

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Lots of people who are not members of that religion believe that Israel has the right to exist.


Zionism often however, goes beyond the mere right to exist to a right to expand and ethnically cleanse the region as well.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Sorry, that is complete rubbish. IF it were 'true', Gaza would be a car-park by now.



Please explain the creation of the Israeli colonies in the Occupied Territories?
Occupied as a result of war, perfectly legal under international law
 
Please explain the annexation of the Golan Heights?
 Taken from Syria, in order to stop it being used as launching pad for attacks on the CIVILIAN population of Israel

Please explain the treatment of the Palestinians by Israeli authorities? 
Which Palestinians?? The ones living peacefully inside Israel, or the ones launching attacks from Gaza?

Please explain the treatment of Palestinians by Israeli colonists?  If they aren't engaged in ethnic cleansing, then what are they doing?
I suggest you look up the term, shouting insults and throwing rocks at each other is not 'ethnic cleansing'. Killing every single person of the particular ethnicity would classify (and since the Palestinians and almost 50% of the Israelis are ethnically the same, it would require mass suicide to carry that out) 
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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #31 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:13pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 3:09pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 2:48pm:
Please explain the creation of the Israeli colonies in the Occupied Territories?
Occupied as a result of war, perfectly legal under international law
 


That doesn't answer his question, Gizmo. You've provided a justification for the Occupation but you haven't provided a justification for the establishment of the Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territorys.  Thats rather disingenuous, don't you think?

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Please explain the annexation of the Golan Heights?
 Taken from Syria, in order to stop it being used as launching pad for attacks on the CIVILIAN population of Israel



Yet the Israeli annexation is considered illegal and has not been recognised by any other nation, except the US - who provided a defacto recognition, not a dejure one under Reagan.  Even they think it's a bit dodgy at the US State Department...

Again, a justification for the Israeli occupation, not the annexation.  Again, some more disingenuousness on your part?

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Please explain the treatment of the Palestinians by Israeli authorities? 
Which Palestinians?? The ones living peacefully inside Israel, or the ones launching attacks from Gaza?


I think he's referring to the Paletinians generally.  Why not address the issue of Israeli treatment of the Palestinians living where the majority of them under Israeli control live - the West Bank?  The Israeli authorities have a long record of neglect and oppression of that Palestinian population, including allowing the Israeli "colonists" getting away with harassing the Palestinians at will.

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Please explain the treatment of Palestinians by Israeli colonists?  If they aren't engaged in ethnic cleansing, then what are they doing?
I suggest you look up the term, shouting insults and throwing rocks at each other is not 'ethnic cleansing'.



It is a low-level form of it, I'd suggest.  Anything that makes live difficult for the Occupied population to the point that they are forced from their lands and made to flee to somewhere else, can I believe be construed as "ethnic cleansing" if it is directed towards one particular ethnic group, which is what that behaviour is.

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Killing every single person of the particular ethnicity would classify (and since the Palestinians and almost 50% of the Israelis are ethnically the same, it would require mass suicide to carry that out) 
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"Ethnic Cleansing" is defined as:
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The Final Report of the Commission of Experts established pursuant to Security Council Resolution 780 defined ethnic cleansing as "a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas."

[Source]

"Violent and terror-inspiring means" describes what the Israelis have been doing for decades in the Occupied Territories, ever since the Israelis went door-to-door after the Six Day War and told the Palestinians to flee or they'd be killed.  Continuous, low-level oppression inspires fear in most people.  Perhaps we should ask the survivors of The Shoah what it was like?   Roll Eyes
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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #32 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 11:31pm
 


None of your quote links work Brian! Is their something wrong with you ability?
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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #33 - Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:20am
 
Adamant wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 11:31pm:
None of your quote links work Brian! Is their something wrong with you ability?


If you're referring to the "Source" one in the previous post, seems to work OK for me...   Roll Eyes

If you're referring to the formatting, I've fixed that Adamant.
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Reply #34 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 8:14am
 

"Honest, ISLAM is the Religion of Peace"
, Tony Blair and George Bush


The Video That Made Pakistan Block YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKCZfnpU1uc


Watch Tony Blair and George Bush in the opening of that YOUTUBE video, apologise to ISLAM and to moslems, post 9/11 - when they began their 'war on terror'.

Watch Tony Blair and George Bush declare to the world the bona fides of ISLAM as a peace loving religion.


"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant religion....the acts of these people [Taliban, Al-Qaeda] are wholly contrary to the teachings of the Koran."

- Tony Blair

"I also want to speak tonight directly to moslems throughout the world. We respect your faith..... Its teachings are good and peaceful..."

- George Bush





Time has moved on, it is 2014, and Tony Blair and George Bush are both out of office.
But in exactly the same way that Tony Blair and George Bush refused to confront what ISLAM is, our political leaders in the West, today, are still 'leading us down the garden path'.
And our political leaders in the West, today, are still refusing to confront what ISLAM is.
And our political leaders are seeking to appease moslems and the moslem community.
Both our own political leaders, and the moslem community, are lying to the citizens of Western nations - about the nature and the character of ISLAM.

Strange times indeed.

Good [truth] is evil.

And evil is good.




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In unguarded moments, moslems [addressing moslems] do expose their malevolent intent - towards those who are not moslems....


e.g.
A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGING MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems] #1,

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece







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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong


"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...







As per the directives of Allah, within ISLAM's own foundation texts;


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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Re: Honest we are the Religion of Peace
Reply #35 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 5:55pm
 
Everytime I see that guy I think he's been socked on the forehead by a cricket ball or something.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #36 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 8:08pm
 
Now now, G, there’s no need to be racist.

Let’s all respect each others’ forehead styles, ok?

Shurely you understand the importance of prayer bumps down at the mosque.
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Reply #37 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 12:22pm
 
The religion of peace

islam fits the bill of a cult practicing human sacrifice.

From the dictionary;
Human sacrifice: the act of killing human beings, as an offering to a deity,  Victims are ritually killed in a manner that will please and appease gods.

The qur'an and hadi'th both call for mankind to be tortured and killed (in the most inhumane manner possible) by muslims, for the glory of allah.

Beheading and mutilating of humans has been ritually carried out since the time of muhammad. (all supposedly with the blessings of allah, for the glory of allah,  in a manner that is pleasing to allah)

islam the worlds largest cult of killers, who perform human sacrifice
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Reply #38 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 12:28pm
 
ISIS have been mutilating bodies.
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Reply #39 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 1:46pm
 
Shakey wrote on Aug 6th, 2014 at 12:28pm:
ISIS have been mutilating bodies.


Even al Qaeda think ISIS are a bunch of extremists, which is saying something!  Why do you seem to assume mutilation of bodies is acceptable to anybody but loonies?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #40 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 5:09pm
 
ISIS are true believers in the way of islam, devoutly following sacred writings.

qur'an 5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against allah and his messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the hereafter;”

From hadi'th:
(On torturing an old woman to death)
Umm Qirfa was a very old woman, wife of Malik. . Zayd ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly by putting a rope between her legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two) . (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 980)

(On torturing an old man to steal his treasure)
When he [muhammad] asked him about the rest, he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders . . . "Torture him until you extract what he has," so [the torturer] kindled a fire on his chest until he was nearly dead. When the torture did not work Kinana was beheaded.  Sources: Ibn Ishaq, p. 515; Tabari, vol. 8, pp. 122-123

(On torturing captured tribesmen who had stolen muslims camels)
Then he ordered for nails which were heated and [the tribesmen] were branded with those nails, their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Al-Madina). And when they asked for water, no water was given them till they died . . . . (Bukhari, Book of Jihad, no. 3018

(Another narration of the above torture and murder)
When the apostle of allah . . . cut off (the hands and feet of) those who had stolen his camels and he had their eyes put out by fire (heated nails) , (Abu Dawud, no. 4357)

muslims have sacred permission to torture, mutilate and murder their fellow man

religion of peace?
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Reply #41 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 7:31pm
 
Shakey wrote on Aug 6th, 2014 at 12:28pm:
ISIS have been mutilating bodies.


True, but they are Muslims, Shakey. Someone has to do it.

Better them than us, no?
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Reply #42 - Aug 7th, 2014 at 10:52am
 
moses wrote on Aug 6th, 2014 at 5:09pm:
ISIS are true believers in the way of islam, devoutly following sacred writings.


As they interpret them.   Fred Phelps believed he and his family were following sacred writings as well.   Yadda believes he's following sacred writings (which only he understands properly) as well.   George W. Bush had an illustrated set of sacred writings written in large print so he could easily read them and understand them, as well.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #43 - Aug 7th, 2014 at 4:03pm
 
religion of peace?

Today 2014 the following sacred writings:

qur'an 5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against allah and his messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the hereafter;”

From hadi'th:
(On torturing an old woman to death)
Umm Qirfa was a very old woman, wife of Malik. . Zayd ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly by putting a rope between her legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two) . (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 980)

(On torturing an old man to steal his treasure)
When he [muhammad] asked him about the rest, he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders . . . "Torture him until you extract what he has," so [the torturer] kindled a fire on his chest until he was nearly dead. When the torture did not work Kinana was beheaded.  Sources: Ibn Ishaq, p. 515; Tabari, vol. 8, pp. 122-123

(On torturing captured tribesmen who had stolen muslims camels)
Then he ordered for nails which were heated and [the tribesmen] were branded with those nails, their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Al-Madina). And when they asked for water, no water was given them till they died . . . . (Bukhari, Book of Jihad, no. 3018

(Another narration of the above torture and murder)
When the apostle of allah . . . cut off (the hands and feet of) those who had stolen his camels and he had their eyes put out by fire (heated nails) , (Abu Dawud, no. 4357)

Appear most appealing to the muslims who mutilate, torture and sacrifice humans in accordance with the wishes of allah, today 2014.

It seems blood lust has underpinned the muslim way, from muhammad right through to today 2014.
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Reply #44 - Aug 7th, 2014 at 11:27pm
 
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Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

[Deuteronomy 13:13-19]

My, reads very similar to the Q'ran, doesn't it?  Lets see what else we can find in The Bible, shall we?

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Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

[Deuteronomy 13:7-11]

Oh, dear, God telling his followers to kill non-believers.  Just like the Muslims!   Shocked

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Now the son of an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father went out among the Israelites, and a fight broke out in the camp between him and an Israelite.

The son of the Israelite woman blasphemed the Name with a curse; so they brought him to Moses. (His mother’s name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri the Danite.)

They put him in custody until the will of the Lord should be made clear to them.

Then the Lord said to Moses:

“Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.

Say to the Israelites: ‘Anyone who curses their God will be held responsible;

anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.

[Leviticus 24:10-16]

So, you're to be killed if you blaspheme?  Just like the Muslims again.

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But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.

[Deuteronomy 18:20]

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For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.

[Exodus 31:15]

So, not much room there for accommodation of other religious beliefs, is there? 

Plenty more of that sort of stuff in The Bible!  Terrible!   Roll Eyes


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