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Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45
Reply #30 - Jul 24^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

brumbie wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Retraining isn't going to suddenly make them under 45 is it?
They will still be regarded as past it.

As someone who is over 45 and gainfully employed, you have no idea what you are talking about.

It has nothing to do with age alone, if you read the article, but being approproately skilled by the time you reach a certain age.

You got the skills you got the jobs, plain and simple

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Reply #31 - Jul 24^th, 2014 at 5:42pm

I think that one of the problems is that people who are made redundant, for whatever reason, need to perhaps change their conception of who they actually are.

I had a guy who mowed my lawn for 10 years. He had been made redundant at 53. Rather than sit around feeling sorry for himself, he created a job for himself ... he charged $40 an hour for lawn mowing (and other handyman stuff). He was in great demand. People these days don't have "time" to do the usual weekend shopping, cleaning, gardening and so forth so are keen to hire some reliable person. It brings in a hell of a lot more income (cash in hand mostly ... up to you if you declare it) than sitting around on welfare.

Think outside the box for a while. Aussies have been renown as inventors of things when sitting contemplating things.

Do a survey of your immediate area or suburb and see what "service" is missing ... print some little adverts on your computer and walk around doing a letterbox drop. You will get some feedback and if you do a good job, feedback and word of mouth will earn you a JOB and being your own boss.

I think the Government has a fund/loan thing for people who want to set up their own business?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122792 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45 Reply #32 - Jul 24^th, 2014 at 5:45pm People over 45 are the ones with all the experience. Young people wouldn't know their arse from their elbow.
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Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45
Reply #33 - Jul 24^th, 2014 at 7:15pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

brumbie wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Retraining isn't going to suddenly make them under 45 is it?
They will still be regarded as past it.

As someone who is over 45 and gainfully employed, you have no idea what you are talking about.

It has nothing to do with age alone, if you read the article, but being approproately skilled by the time you reach a certain age.

You got the skills you got the jobs, plain and simple

That's just Bull...
Obviously if they are put off they already have the skills...

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Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45
Reply #34 - Jul 24^th, 2014 at 7:20pm

Neferti wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

I think that one of the problems is that people who are made redundant, for whatever reason, need to perhaps change their conception of who they actually are.

I had a guy who mowed my lawn for 10 years. He had been made redundant at 53. Rather than sit around feeling sorry for himself, he created a job for himself ... he charged $40 an hour for lawn mowing (and other handyman stuff). He was in great demand. People these days don't have "time" to do the usual weekend shopping, cleaning, gardening and so forth so are keen to hire some reliable person. It brings in a hell of a lot more income (cash in hand mostly ... up to you if you declare it) than sitting around on welfare.

Think outside the box for a while. Aussies have been renown as inventors of things when sitting contemplating things.

Do a survey of your immediate area or suburb and see what "service" is missing ... print some little adverts on your computer and walk around doing a letterbox drop. You will get some feedback and if you do a good job, feedback and word of mouth will earn you a JOB and being your own boss.

I think the Government has a fund/loan thing for people who want to set up their own business?

Do you have any idea the number of lawns you need to mow to make a living?
Where I used to live there were about 20 such people in the one neighbourhood and believe me most people still mowed their own lawns.
Not only that... you need a vehicle, an ABN, insurance, just for starters. You need clothing, equipment, fuel, and of course councils will hit you with charges to dump your greenwaste in landfill sites.
Not simple or straightforward at all.

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Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45
Reply #35 - Jul 24^th, 2014 at 8:46pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

brumbie wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Retraining isn't going to suddenly make them under 45 is it?
They will still be regarded as past it.

As someone who is over 45 and gainfully employed, you have no idea what you are talking about.

It has nothing to do with age alone, if you read the article, but being approproately skilled by the time you reach a certain age.

You got the skills you got the jobs, plain and simple

That's just Bull...
Obviously if they are put off they already have the skills...

I pretty much agree with you in this thread Grendel.

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Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45
Reply #36 - Jul 24^th, 2014 at 10:05pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

brumbie wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Retraining isn't going to suddenly make them under 45 is it?
They will still be regarded as past it.

As someone who is over 45 and gainfully employed, you have no idea what you are talking about.

It has nothing to do with age alone, if you read the article, but being approproately skilled by the time you reach a certain age.

You got the skills you got the jobs, plain and simple

That's just Bull...
Obviously if they are put off they already have the skills...

I pretty much agree with you in this thread Grendel. http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

It depends on how you define 'skills'. I have zero skills in being subservient to bullies.

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Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45
Reply #37 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 6:10pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

brumbie wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Retraining isn't going to suddenly make them under 45 is it?
They will still be regarded as past it.

As someone who is over 45 and gainfully employed, you have no idea what you are talking about.

It has nothing to do with age alone, if you read the article, but being approproately skilled by the time you reach a certain age.

You got the skills you got the jobs, plain and simple

That's just Bull...
Obviously if they are put off they already have the skills...

I pretty much agree with you in this thread Grendel. http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

It depends on how you define 'skills'. I have zero skills in being subservient to bullies.

No need to muddy the waters now grappler they have a hard enough time without mud...
If a person is doing a job, they obviously HAVE the skills to do it or wouldn't be doing it... if they are made redundant, it isn't due to lack of skills now is it?

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Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45
Reply #38 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 6:46pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

brumbie wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Retraining isn't going to suddenly make them under 45 is it?
They will still be regarded as past it.

As someone who is over 45 and gainfully employed, you have no idea what you are talking about.

It has nothing to do with age alone, if you read the article, but being approproately skilled by the time you reach a certain age.

You got the skills you got the jobs, plain and simple

That's just Bull...
Obviously if they are put off they already have the skills...

"Put off" what exactly. That sentence make no sense.

If you ar an unskilled dullard or any age you will be forever unemployed, if you have the sjkills companies want you will always be employed.

I don't know anyone in my age group among my friends who is unemployable dure to lack of skills, they are employed and they get the jobs easy enough so if you and your freinds are unemployed it has more to do with you than any sort of ageism.

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Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45
Reply #39 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:19pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

brumbie wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Retraining isn't going to suddenly make them under 45 is it?
They will still be regarded as past it.

As someone who is over 45 and gainfully employed, you have no idea what you are talking about.

It has nothing to do with age alone, if you read the article, but being approproately skilled by the time you reach a certain age.

You got the skills you got the jobs, plain and simple

That's just Bull...
Obviously if they are put off they already have the skills...

"Put off" what exactly. That sentence make no sense.

If you ar an unskilled dullard or any age you will be forever unemployed, if you have the sjkills companies want you will always be employed.

I don't know anyone in my age group among my friends who is unemployable dure to lack of skills, they are employed and they get the jobs easy enough so if you and your freinds are unemployed it has more to do with you than any sort of ageism.

Do you honestly want me to call you an idiot?
Don't you know what being "put off" is in regards to employment/unemployment? Cheesy

If you have skills and the company wants to employ someone overseas cheaper they will put you off Cheesy

As for me and my friends and you and yours... you are clueless and apparently the bunch of your friends are too.

Were the car workers unskilled?
Abbatoir workers?
Telstra workers?
IT workers?

Short answer NO. They all have skills and they were all put off and they aren't putting off 1 or 2 they are putting off hundreds at a time.

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Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45
Reply #40 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:13pm

I have to butt in here.

Being out of work is nasty and soul destroying for some people.
(others dont give a sh!T)

Being older you have to consider the value of any training you might do, will it be worth it, do I have enough working life left etc.
I have been lucky but I feel sorry for anyone that is out of work

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45 Reply #41 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:23pm Unemployment can happen to anyone, at any age. Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.
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Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45
Reply #42 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:27pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:19pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

brumbie wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Retraining isn't going to suddenly make them under 45 is it?
They will still be regarded as past it.

As someone who is over 45 and gainfully employed, you have no idea what you are talking about.

It has nothing to do with age alone, if you read the article, but being approproately skilled by the time you reach a certain age.

You got the skills you got the jobs, plain and simple

That's just Bull...
Obviously if they are put off they already have the skills...

"Put off" what exactly. That sentence make no sense.

If you ar an unskilled dullard or any age you will be forever unemployed, if you have the sjkills companies want you will always be employed.

I don't know anyone in my age group among my friends who is unemployable dure to lack of skills, they are employed and they get the jobs easy enough so if you and your freinds are unemployed it has more to do with you than any sort of ageism.

Do you honestly want me to call you and idiot?
Don't you know what being "put off" is in regards to employment/unemployment? Cheesy

If you have skills and the company wants to employ someone overseas cheaper they will put you off Cheesy

As for me and my friends and you and yours... you are clueless and apparently the bunch of your friends are too.

Were the car workers unskilled?
Abbatoir workers?
Telstra workers?
IT workers?

Short answer NO. They all have skills and they were all put off and they aren't putting off 1 or 2 they are putting off hundreds at a time.

Now I see the problem, the article and myself were talking about being appropriately skilled, you are ranting on about any bullsh1t skill that may or may not be of ny relevance in the workforce

Yeah that is why some cretins are unemployable at 45 and some people are gainfully employed their whole lives, I know which one you will be.

Have the APPROPRIATE skills, get the job or end up on the scrap heap, the choice is wholey yours.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Past It, Your Over The Hill At Age 45 Reply #43 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 3:00pm I hope you are out of work at 55 and never get re-employed. Perhaps then you might get a clue.
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Reply #44 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 3:05pm

As for the shyt you just posted, specifically... I know a group of people who were made redundant.
They all have skills.
They were all over 50.
Their jobs became re-advertised after 6 months with another company.
They all applied for it and not one got it.
They were notified 6 months later...
Excuse... the company found someone with more experience.
Now since for the last 12 years they were the only people doing this particular job, just where is their any truth in that.
6 months later the company was re-advertising yet again.
same result.

yes BigOl yo are a mental genius when it comes to this topic. Cheesy

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