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Re: rainwater diverters
Reply #15 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:44pm:
Lionel what is your problem with rainwater diverters? They are cheap and easy. Tanks are complicated.

JS, I am interested in getting some of those bags. I tried shopping bags once, but the possums ripped them apart, and I think they were biodegradable anyway, so they last about 5 minutes in the sun.

Another advantage of growing your own, as with any fruit, is that you can grow the tastier varieties with thinner skin. The ones I grow (ladyfingers, but still nothing like the ones in the shops) would be hopeless for transport. I made the mistake of leaving them all on the bunch for too long once, rather than cutting into hands. Then I tried to cut them - it was literally raining bananas.


I didn't even realise they had special bags ...they looked like shopping bags to me  ... but I can see why possums might be a problem ... they must have some sort of fibre through the bag to stop the possum tearing it up

I was only there to paint the house, not grow bananas  Wink
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Reply #16 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 10:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:44pm:
Lionel what is your problem with rainwater diverters? They are cheap and easy. Tanks are complicated. ...


Au contraire, I have no problems with rainwater diverters. I have every intention of fitting them to the next rainwater tank I install. They keep all but the first 2-3 gallons of wash-water off your catchment area (roof) and dump the first rinse into the yard.

But you'e talking about watering a lawn. This, grasshopper, requires many regular wanderings, stubby & hose in hand, whilst the Sun sinks slowly below the horizon. This ensures that the 'lawn' has had sufficient time to absorb the water before the onslaught of next day's sun.

A tank already comes with an outlet on the bottom. It's hardly rocket science to hook a hose up to it. The tank will continue to deliver water until the delivery point rises significantly higher than the water level in the tank.

A light daily watering, on sunset, will ensure a good lawn and save useless watering.

'Flooding' will give you a 'Green' feeling but have absolutely no lasting effect on your lawn.

Something about, "Feeding a little, but feeding often".

But, WTF do I know!

I've grown a lawn on an ol' gravel road.   Cool

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Reply #17 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 6:52am
 
I saw those banana bags when up in Cairns recently...

thousands of them between Townsville and Cairns..

I use a 5000 lt water tank that I hooked up myself using one of the existing down pipes... easy as

the tank itself cost $800 of Bunnings plus some fittings...

the pump cost $150... not that you even need one if you use soaker hose...

the tank is hooked into the Toilet, Laundry and Bathroom... the first two was required to get the rebate..

the plumbers did the pressure side so that I had an installation certificate to get the rebate..

all up it cost $1800 and I received $800 from the federal government and another $800 from the state government..

once again Labor throwing away tax payers money..  thanks Labor  Smiley

there are still rebates on water tanks but there are also conditions that go with them...
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Reply #18 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 7:12pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 10:12pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:44pm:
Lionel what is your problem with rainwater diverters? They are cheap and easy. Tanks are complicated. ...


Au contraire, I have no problems with rainwater diverters. I have every intention of fitting them to the next rainwater tank I install. They keep all but the first 2-3 gallons of wash-water off your catchment area (roof) and dump the first rinse into the yard.

But you'e talking about watering a lawn. This, grasshopper, requires many regular wanderings, stubby & hose in hand, whilst the Sun sinks slowly below the horizon. This ensures that the 'lawn' has had sufficient time to absorb the water before the onslaught of next day's sun.

A tank already comes with an outlet on the bottom. It's hardly rocket science to hook a hose up to it. The tank will continue to deliver water until the delivery point rises significantly higher than the water level in the tank.

A light daily watering, on sunset, will ensure a good lawn and save useless watering.

'Flooding' will give you a 'Green' feeling but have absolutely no lasting effect on your lawn.

Something about, "Feeding a little, but feeding often".

But, WTF do I know!

I've grown a lawn on an ol' gravel road.   Cool



Actually, most gardening advice is to give a deep watering irregularly. Frequent light watering maximises evaporation loss. Back when I had a tank I would empty it in a couple of waterings.

I am not after a 'good' lawn. I am hardly anal about it. I am after 'not a dust bowl', and my trees still alive, without doing the stubby in hand rounds.

Unfortunately I have used my tank rebate already. I don't think you can get it twice. I'm not going to spends thousands to save a few dollars worth of water.
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Reply #19 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 7:47pm
 
Here is what I installed:

1 PVC T style diverter. This has an inbuilt tap so you can divert the water down the regular downpipe, into the bypass, or block the drain. I put it in one location where I could not run a long pipe and had to divert the water overhead instead. When it rains heavily, a large volume of water comes out. I have tried to shape the end of the pipe so it spreads the water a bit, but it needs work. So far there has been no erosion, and only minimal hole digging where the water hits the ground. There is a gentle slope away from the house at this location. As far as I can tell all the water soaks into the ground. I have had a wander round in heavy rain and could not see any overland flows. You have to cut out the existing PVC elbow and replace it with the T piece, using plumbers glue. I thought the tap bit was necessary so it could be turned off if it got too much water, but I have not needed to yet. There is a 15 degree bend to get the water flowing downhill. This is not glued in, to allow the outflow to be turned to some extent so that I can direct the water onto different locations. I could also use 23 or 45 degree bends to spread it wider, but the water tends to spread out a bit anyway when it hits the ground.

3 poly pipe diverters. Each consists of a PVC snap-on T, a PVC end cap and a tank adapter to convert to 19mm poly pipe. I had to do a custom mod to get the tank adapter onto the end cap because there is no standard converter from 90mm PVC to 19mm poly pipe at Bunnings. I cut the tank adapter short where there was limited head room. To attach the tank adapter, I cut out a hole just big enough and the tank adapter clamps on with rubber washer seals. Where the T snaps on to the PVC pipe I drilled a series of 10mm holes to drain the water from the downpipe into the snap-on T (and filter out chunky bits). All 3 of these diverters go into a common hose that I can drain anywhere on the lawn. Two of them also have an extra overflow for heavy rain (including the one pictured). This design has the advantage of limiting the flow rate, because of the capacity of the 19mm poly pipe and the garden hose I use. It is all gravity fed and set up so the water goes into the hose first, then the poly pipe overflow (and onto the ground) if it backs up and the rest goes down the regular downpipe in really heavy rain. There are inline valves (taps) at the three top locations and also on the hose adapter. Being able to move the hose is also a big advantage over the other design. Another advantage is the minimal work done to the downpipe. I could remove it all, plug the 10mm holes and there would be little visual impact. I also did not need any plumbers glue. Zip ties were enough, and the end cap is not even glued onto the T piece. The poly overflows can be turned over a wide angle to direct the overflows to different locations.

I have installed a tank with a pump before. Overall I am happy with this alternative. It is much cheaper and easier to set up. Unless you get droughts where there is no rain at all for months, this would probably be good enough. The ground can be a very effective water storage, and the more biomass in it, the more it can soak up. When I installed the tank, I did a lot of work to connect all the PVC downpipes to it. This alternative makes it easier to take advantage of downpipes where it would be difficult to run long pipes to a tank.

Since I have installed this, the lawn has greened up, thanks to a few showers, and I am gradually regreening all the dead patches of lawn.
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The PVC T style diverter:
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Reply #21 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 8:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 7:47pm:
So far there has been no erosion, and only minimal hole digging where the water hits the ground



why don't you try some sort of rock feature along where it hits the ground .. that way you won't get any sort of digging or erosion, and the water will flow of the rocks and into the surrounding soil, if you do it right you may even be able to control where the water flows too
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Reply #22 - Dec 31st, 2014 at 1:22pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:25pm:
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What makes you think I know anything about growing bananas?

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That is in Adelaide. I water it last thing at night, very nutritious watering.  Wink That and water from kitchen sink. No foxes to worry about but bloody possums do eat the blossoms. Not going to worry about that, they are small bananas good only for making banana bread.

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