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Reply #15 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:44am

REMINDER: U.S. PLOTTED TO PROVOKE SHOOT DOWN OF AIRLINER TO CREATE PRETEXT FOR WAR

Plotting to stage downing of an airliner & start a war is insane, except when 'Murica does it!

Who in their right mind would risk provoking a war by staging the shoot down of an airliner?

If you guessed Russia, then guess again.

In 2005, a memo was leaked from a January 2003 meeting between President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair during which Bush, “considered provoking a war with Saddam Hussein’s regime by flying a United States spyplane over Iraq bearing UN colours, enticing the Iraqis to take a shot at it.”

However, this was by no means the first time that the United States considered such methods. Declassified documents from 1962′s infamous Operation Northwoods confirm that the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff planned to, “create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama, or Venezuela.”

In July 1988, the United States actually did shoot down a commercial airliner over Iranian territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, killing all 290 on board including 66 children. Despite Iran Air Flight 655 broadcasting a signal that identified it as a civilian craft, the crew of the USS Vincennes incorrectly identified the Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter and downed it with SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles. The U.S. offered Iran no apology for the incident.

Plotting to provoke the shoot down of an airliner & start a war is insane, except when ‘Murica does it!

Given events over the last 24 hours, it would also be remiss to forget the fact that Ukraine itself admitted to shooting down a Russian airliner in 2001, killing all 78 on board as the aircraft plunged into the Black Sea.

In light of the innumerable questions surrounding the flight path of Malaysian Airlines flight 17, which was ordered to fly lower by Ukrainian authorities and bizarrely chose to venture straight through the conflict zone that the previous ten airlines before it had avoided, history tells us that the stampede to blame Russian-backed rebels for yesterday’s tragedy may be somewhat hasty.

http://www.infowars.com/reminder-u-s-plotted-to-provoke-shoot-down-of-airliner-t...

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Reply #16 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:25pm

Its quite obvious who the perpatrators were despite all these wacky conspiracy theories

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There are reports this morning that armed separatists have hampered the efforts of investigators from the Vienna-based Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), sent in to get to the bottom on the disaster.
Reporters on the ground tweeted yesterday that the separatists fired warning shots when the OSCE mission approached the wreckage.
Members were reportedly harassed by the rebels when they attempted to gain full access the crash site overnight.
The organisation is negotiating with the Russian-backed separatists to create a “humanitarian corridor” through the volatile region.
However, Sky News reports this morning that the investigators were given little over an hour to inspect the wreckage, and that they were unable retrieve either of the plane’s black boxes.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-black-box-sought-as-world-leaders-including-barack-obama-and-tony-abbott-condemn-prorussian-separatists/story-fnizu68q-1229694383389

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Reply #17 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:46pm

ian wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Its quite obvious who the perpatrators were despite all these wacky conspiracy theories

A SA-11 is a complex bit of equipment, not many people have them and even less know how to fire one.

This stinks of Russia,i would almost put money on a few Russians being involved in this right down to the operators of this SA-11.

The Ukraine shot down a Siberian airliner over a decade ago with a SA-5.

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Reply #19 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 3:52pm

Another false flag episode gets BUSTED!!!!

We should instantly know that the only benefit that could come from an attack of this type would be for Ukraine and their western cohorts. There is no reason why Russia would do this, none at all, they have everything to lose from instigating terrorist attacks......Mr Putin is way too smart for that.

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Reply #20 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 5:13pm

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/nwo-attempted-assassination-of-vlad...

Hot News Release: NWO Attempted Assassination of Vladimir Putin, But Got the Wrong Plane? It Looks That Way! (Breaking News Videos)
Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:26

New information reveals that President Vladimir Putin’s plane may have been the target of an attempted assassination! He is doing many things right and standing strong for what is moral in this world. Furthermore, he is going against the grain of the New World Order, and we all know they don’t like that!

NWO Attempted Assassination of Vladimir Putin–It Certainly Looks That Way!

RT News reports:

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft – 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.

“The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical”, the source added. http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Is it possible that the Malaysian plane that went down was meant to be his? Did they try to assassinate him? Watch the facts stated in the videos below, because it certainly appears that way!

Check out this breaking video news footage and see for yourself!

RT NEWS LINK: http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/ (Please check out for full details)

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Reply #21 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 5:40pm

BRICS....the deal....I said it before, plus the yanks are still really upset about Snowden, they have many reasons to want to assassinate Putin. He stood in their way for getting Assad by promoting peace negotiations. He's been smacking up their plans for world domination big time.

Let's not forget that JFK said he would end central banks and he was dead three months later. Remember the IMF chief (pre Lagarde) that got set up with some fake rape charge, he was going to change some rule that wouldn't have sat well with America and their cohorts. Don't mess with the petro dollar.

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Reply #22 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 8:03am

This is the strangest video you will ever see. Hilary Clinton explains why the passenger plane had to be shot down.

This is the motive explained by Clinton, the day BEFORE the incident happened.

Hillary Clinton went on the Charlie Rose show the other night and carefully explained the motivation behind the false flag operation known as Flight Mh17. She laid it out very clearly: European nations weren’t joining Obama’s sanctions against Russia so Russia decided to blow-up a plane flying over Europe.

Simple, right?

In the weeks prior to the supposed downing of Flight MH17 several European nations decided against joining Obama’s new sanctions against Russia for allegedly invading Crimea and destabilizing eastern Ukraine so Obama, President Peace Prize, was going it alone. The reason they gave, repeated by Killary herself: they didn’t buy it.

The vast majority of Europeans understand that Crimea held a referendum and decided to politely bow out of the fascist neo-Nazi run Ukraine. Russia didn’t invade though you wouldn’t know that watching Fox News or listening to Killary. But they know it.

They also understand that Gazprom is the leading supplier of energy to Europe and without them, they would be at the mercy of the same globalist for-profit entities that Killary and Obama and Bush before them work for. So, they rejected Obama’s call for humanitarian sanctions against Russia on the grounds that they didn’t BELIEVE the bullshit.

Now, you have to understand, this about far more than simply some oil and LNG contracts in Europe. It’s about more than simply the Caspian Sea Basin and all those glorious profits waiting to be had. It’s about more than simply making Pipelandistan a profitable venture after it’s launch on Sept. 11th, 2001.

What’s at stake is the stability of Russia and by extention, Putin himself and ultimately… BRICS.

Yes, these sanctions will so cripple Gazprom if enacted across Europe that Russia will undergo a sort of economic warfare the likes of which they haven’t seen for decades. That will “make the economy” of Russia “scream” to borrow a line from an old globalist.

It’s economic warfare designed to undermine not only Putin’s place in Russia, but also Russia’s ability to lead the alternative to the IMF and World Bank… BRICS.

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Reply #25 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:43am

Ukrainian Army with Surface to Air missiles near Donetsk on July 5th (see 0:50)

‘Here is a video from a few days ago showing UKR Army in the region in possession of SAM BUK.
They have been going crazy suggesting that Russian planes have crossed the border in the recent days and were working hard to shoot it down – a fact. ‘

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Reply #26 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:02pm

John McCain Says Ukraine Does Not Have Buk Missile Systems (See above post) and Unveils True Motive For Shooting MH-17 To Escalate War With Russia

Kiev are saying there is no Carlos and there never was.

This is Carlos who was at the Kiev Air Traffic Control tower when the plane was shot down. Carlos got the word out that Ukraine jets were following a passenger plane at the time of the explosion. There are many eyewitnesses fro surrounding village that also attest to this.

Carlos is a hero. I hope he is safe.

Express what one thinks about the crisis in Ukraine can even lead to an alien to be forced to flee for their lives Kiev. It is the case of a Spanish air traffic controller who was threatened by supporters of the Maidan.

Carlos, who spoke with RT on the condition of anonymity, has received threats despite not defending any interest. "I have my opinion and my view of a normal person, with a separate work [unrelated] or media, or any political party, nor to any association. "

http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/127516-amenazar-controlador-espanol-ucr...

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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Malaysian Flight MH17 Down Reply #27 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:12pm I re-post the following here, as it is relevant! perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:10pm: In both Politics & War, whether intent is declared or not, Truth is the first casualty! Once that is established, "no individual side", can be presumed innocent!
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Reply #28 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:48pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

In both Politics & War, whether intent is declared or not, Truth is the first casualty!

Once that is established, "no individual side", can be presumed innocent!

Precisely perce, that's why I give the other side of the story so that the spectators can make up their own mind with the information they have, whether it be true or false.

However, I believe that the perpetrator will never face justice, just like 9/11.

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Reply #29 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 6:33am

http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2014/07/illuminati-takes-down-malaysian-air...

Global Elite Take Down Malaysian Airline MH17 to Hide the Cure For Aids? Getting Rid of the Cure to Keep Money in Their Pockets and Continue their Depopulation Agenda…
Saturday, July 19, 2014 21:47

It is known that the top 100 AIDS research scientists — including Jope Lange the former president of the International AIDS Society – were on board Malaysian Airliner MH17 and headed for an AIDS conference in Sydney, Australia.

It is also known that pharmaceutical industries, many of whom are run by the government, do not want a cure for diseases to be found because of the profits they make off of medicines.

Furthermore, many are aware of the global elite’s agenda to depopulate the earth by hundreds of thousands. After all we have heard it from many globalists themselves including: George Soros, Bill Gates, Clinton, Rothschild, and more.

If we take all of these ‘clues’ into consideration would it be safe to assume that the scientist on board MH17 were about to present breakthrough research which could have resulted in the AIDS cure? Could these men have been ‘taken out’ by the global elitists in order to protect their highly-profitable AIDS industry, which generates billions of dollars for government run pharmaceutical companies? These questions and more are addressed in the video below….

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/03/rothschild-takes-down-malaysian-airlin...

http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2014/06/proof-theres-a-cure-for-aids-who-th...

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