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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156717 Gender:	Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date Reply #30 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:19pm Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:02pm: IN charge? Abbott and Morrison should BE charged. This should be the ALP's mantra for the next election. Sadly though, they probably won't have the guts.
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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #31 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:21pm

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

Hmmm, I notice there's no discussion re' the uselessness of the UN in general, only abuse and reiteration of the ideological purpose behind that particular convention, also ignoring it's failures and the problems it causes for Australia.
Religious much? Wink

The uselessness and self-serving of the UN in no way puts the conventions in the negative alongside this bloated bureaucracy concept.

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #32 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:22pm

Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:02pm:

The only reason I can see for repudiating it would be in order to pander to the blatant
racists who support our current convention-violating mistreatment of asylum-seekers
and who wish to avoid international scrutiny and censure for doing so.

Under NO circumstances would I support repudiation of this convention.

On the contrary, I'd strongly oppose doing so. Why would I support the facilitation of
human rights abuses to the very perpetrators of such abuses?

IN charge? Abbott and Morrison should BE charged.

Please show me where the UN or it's conventions have ever prevented such abuses?
Ruining the social structure of Australia in a frenzy of idealistic feel-goodery is hardly likely to convince the "baddies" to mend their ways, is it? Grin

By the way, opposing immigration does not mean racism, that's really poor reasoning and unwarranted abuse.
Personally, I don't care whether they're black, brown, blue, white, green, or purple-spotted protestants from Pookeepski, wrack off, we're FULL! Grin

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #33 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:02pm:

IN charge? Abbott and Morrison should BE charged.

This should be the ALP's mantra for the next election.

Sadly though, they probably won't have the guts.

as if the ALP would criticise Morrison.
They wont even mention boats.
It simply reminds the 80 % of voters in outer suburban electorates (where elections are decided) that Morrison has delivered and labor were incompetant.
They wont discuss boats at all. The only votes in it for them are david marr, sarah hansen young and gweggy. Wink

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i bet their internal polling is telling them its a toxic topic for labor.
I'll bet shorten changes the subject every time a journo brings it up.

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #34 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:23pm

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:02pm:

The only reason I can see for repudiating it would be in order to pander to the blatant
racists who support our current convention-violating mistreatment of asylum-seekers
and who wish to avoid international scrutiny and censure for doing so.

Under NO circumstances would I support repudiation of this convention.

On the contrary, I'd strongly oppose doing so. Why would I support the facilitation of
human rights abuses to the very perpetrators of such abuses?

IN charge? Abbott and Morrison should BE charged.

Please show me where the UN or it's conventions have ever prevented such abuses?
Ruining the social structure of Australia in a frenzy of idealistic feel-goodery is hardly likely to convince the "baddies" to mend their ways, is it? Grin

By the way, opposing immigration does not mean racism, that's really poor reasoning and unwarranted abuse.
Personally, I don't care whether they're black, brown, blue, white, green, or purple-spotted protestants from Pookeepski, wrack off, we're FULL! Grin

I guess you're alternative is ...?

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #35 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:24pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

Hmmm, I notice there's no discussion re' the uselessness of the UN in general, only abuse and reiteration of the ideological purpose behind that particular convention, also ignoring it's failures and the problems it causes for Australia.
Religious much? Wink

The uselessness and self-serving of the UN in no way puts the conventions in the negative alongside this bloated bureaucracy concept.

Actually, it does.

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #36 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:02pm:

IN charge? Abbott and Morrison should BE charged.

This should be the ALP's mantra for the next election.

Sadly though, they probably won't have the guts.

as if the ALP would criticise Morrison.
They wont even mention boats.
It simply reminds the 80 % of voters in outer suburban electorates (where elections are decided) that Morrison has delivered and labor were incompetant.
They wont discuss boats at all. The only votes in it for them are david marr, sarah hansen young and gweggy. Wink

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i bet their internal polling is telling them its a toxic topic for labor.
I'll bet shorten changes the subject every time a journo brings it up.

Yes, that's exactly what I implied: "Sadly though, they probably won't have the guts."

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #37 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:24pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

Hmmm, I notice there's no discussion re' the uselessness of the UN in general, only abuse and reiteration of the ideological purpose behind that particular convention, also ignoring it's failures and the problems it causes for Australia.
Religious much? Wink

The uselessness and self-serving of the UN in no way puts the conventions in the negative alongside this bloated bureaucracy concept.

Actually, it does.

How so? Because a government in sitting becomes fat and bloated, how does that mean a good law passed previously is not good? It is the government that is not good.. not the law.

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #38 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:30pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:02pm:

The only reason I can see for repudiating it would be in order to pander to the blatant
racists who support our current convention-violating mistreatment of asylum-seekers
and who wish to avoid international scrutiny and censure for doing so.

Under NO circumstances would I support repudiation of this convention.

On the contrary, I'd strongly oppose doing so. Why would I support the facilitation of
human rights abuses to the very perpetrators of such abuses?

IN charge? Abbott and Morrison should BE charged.

Please show me where the UN or it's conventions have ever prevented such abuses?
Ruining the social structure of Australia in a frenzy of idealistic feel-goodery is hardly likely to convince the "baddies" to mend their ways, is it? Grin

By the way, opposing immigration does not mean racism, that's really poor reasoning and unwarranted abuse.
Personally, I don't care whether they're black, brown, blue, white, green, or purple-spotted protestants from Pookeepski, wrack off, we're FULL! Grin

I guess you're alternative is ...?

How about concentrating on bringing the citizens we already have up to more than third-world status?
How about repairing and/or replacing our decaying infrastructure? Building new hospitals and schools?
Helping the Indig' to find and reach their full potential?
Once all that is achieved we can then open debate about immigration. You know, ASK the whole of Australia if and etc, rather than force someone else's ideology on them?
Get the idea? Wink

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #39 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:34pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:24pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

Hmmm, I notice there's no discussion re' the uselessness of the UN in general, only abuse and reiteration of the ideological purpose behind that particular convention, also ignoring it's failures and the problems it causes for Australia.
Religious much? Wink

The uselessness and self-serving of the UN in no way puts the conventions in the negative alongside this bloated bureaucracy concept.

Actually, it does.

How so? Because a government in sitting becomes fat and bloated, how does that mean a good law passed previously is not good? It is the government that is not good.. not the law.

And when that "law" reflects circumstance that no longer apply, and an ideology that time has proven wrong?
As I said, good intentions are no guarantee of good results, the UN is a clear proof of that!
There's an old wisdom about good intentions and a road to somewhere, remember?

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #40 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:36pm

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:02pm:

The only reason I can see for repudiating it would be in order to pander to the blatant
racists who support our current convention-violating mistreatment of asylum-seekers
and who wish to avoid international scrutiny and censure for doing so.

Under NO circumstances would I support repudiation of this convention.

On the contrary, I'd strongly oppose doing so. Why would I support the facilitation of
human rights abuses to the very perpetrators of such abuses?

IN charge? Abbott and Morrison should BE charged.

Please show me where the UN or it's conventions have ever prevented such abuses?
Ruining the social structure of Australia in a frenzy of idealistic feel-goodery is hardly likely to convince the "baddies" to mend their ways, is it? Grin

By the way, opposing immigration does not mean racism, that's really poor reasoning and unwarranted abuse.
Personally, I don't care whether they're black, brown, blue, white, green, or purple-spotted protestants from Pookeepski, wrack off, we're FULL! Grin

I guess you're alternative is ...?

How about concentrating on bringing the citizens we already have up to more than third-world status?
How about repairing and/or replacing our decaying infrastructure? Building new hospitals and schools?
Helping the Indig' to find and reach their full potential?
Once all that is achieved we can then open debate about immigration. You know, ASK the whole of Australia if and etc, rather than force someone else's ideology on them?
Get the idea? Wink

Yes - I agree, but that is not the issue we were discussing.

I am totally in favour of a plebiscite on the issue of potential immigrant processing.... it's just that neither the government nor the opposition are in the same mind...

I do not discuss the GAIA lightly - I see it as a Snowies Scheme for today, and one that will offer unprecedented potential for Australia's future.... all that is required is the will..... and one hell of a lot less of the current government style of self-enrichment and taking care of cronies first.....

That is not what government is supposed to be doing - it is supposed to be planning ahead for the people - not for itself.

Consider the GAIA the Grappler Autobahns.. the Hoover Dams etc... of the 1930's......(LMAO Grin

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #41 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:36pm

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:02pm:

The only reason I can see for repudiating it would be in order to pander to the blatant
racists who support our current convention-violating mistreatment of asylum-seekers
and who wish to avoid international scrutiny and censure for doing so.

Under NO circumstances would I support repudiation of this convention.

On the contrary, I'd strongly oppose doing so. Why would I support the facilitation of
human rights abuses to the very perpetrators of such abuses?

IN charge? Abbott and Morrison should BE charged.

Please show me where the UN or it's conventions have ever prevented such abuses?
Ruining the social structure of Australia in a frenzy of idealistic feel-goodery is hardly likely to convince the "baddies" to mend their ways, is it? Grin

By the way, opposing immigration does not mean racism, that's really poor reasoning and unwarranted abuse.
Personally, I don't care whether they're black, brown, blue, white, green, or purple-spotted protestants from Pookeepski, wrack off, we're FULL! Grin

I guess you're alternative is ...?

How about concentrating on bringing the citizens we already have up to more than third-world status?
How about repairing and/or replacing our decaying infrastructure? Building new hospitals and schools?
Helping the Indig' to find and reach their full potential?
Once all that is achieved we can then open debate about immigration. You know, ASK the whole of Australia if and etc, rather than force someone else's ideology on them?
Get the idea? Wink

When Howard "stopped the boats" presumably a lot of money was saved, right? If so, tell me, during those days how much was, say, homelessness reduced by? How many new hospitals were built with federal money, that otherwise would not have been built? How many indigenous communities had their housing issues fixed? I'm with you to have a proper and equal society, but I suggest you're targeting the wrong area that you think stops us from getting there. People can care to safe people from persecution, and also care about fixing our homelessness issue. And is suggest if you do want to see such change, perhaps less wanting the government to cease foreign aid, and more demandin the government fix the multitudes of tax loopholes and repioritize their agenda towards service delivery and away from privatisation would result is greater outcome.

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #42 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:39pm

I am in favour of asking the people of Australia how they want to process asylum seekers and whether Australia should cap the numbers and/or no longer accept them.

Too often i see a Government dictate to the people what they will do - when they are supposed to be the servant of the people.

We should ask Australians if they want to process asylum seekers offshore and if they want them coming of not.

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #43 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:44pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

Of course its out of date coz it makes Abbott and Morrison look like a racist ar$eholes

Nope.... but for you that's probably a best guess Cheesy

It was written in 1951.
And for reasons already mentioned in the opening article.
When will you people learn to read... or better still, just learn. Roll Eyes

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #44 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:46pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:39pm:

I am in favour of asking the people of Australia how they want to process asylum seekers and whether Australia should cap the numbers and/or no longer accept them.

Too often i see a Government dictate to the people what they will do - when they are supposed to be the servant of the people.

We should ask Australians if they want to process asylum seekers offshore and if they want them coming of not.

But Morrison and Abbott claim to have told us (pre-election) what they propose and that they now have a mandate because they won the September election.

Their problem is that nowhere in their pre-election dogma did they say they will obliterate transparency and conceal from the citizens what they are doing in our name.

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